I much prefer circumcised. Peter is circumcised very tightly and I love how it looks and feels. Circumcised is miles better for oral. Here in the UK I feel privileged at beaches knowing that others can see that my man is circumcised. We had our sons circumcised when they were babies. They are now 22 and 18 and very happy with their circumcisions, as are their partners.
Natasha xx
Not into any genital mutlilation! I prefer natural uncircumasized cocks.
Sorry to interject given I'm not the sex being asked but:
a) I doubt you believe it's mutilation, that would mean that modern medicine facilitates the mutilaion of 1/4-1/3 of the world's men while the lights were off, propably just venting your bad day in a way that you don't realize is cruel to others
b) if you do indeed believe it, then I assume you also call people in wheelchairs cripples to their face. What kind of person does that make you I wonder?
Sorry to interject given I'm not the sex being asked but:
a) I doubt you believe it's mutilation, that would mean that modern medicine facilitates the mutilaion of 1/4-1/3 of the world's men while the lights were off, propably just venting your bad day in a way that you don't realize is cruel to others
b) if you do indeed believe it, then I assume you also call people in wheelchairs cripples to their face. What kind of person does that make you I wonder?
They literally perform an irreversible procedure where they cut off the most nerve laden part of a newborn males body(which can have double the amount of nerve endings compared to a clitoris for reference), while he is just days old, without any kind of consent, at best they use a topical numbing cream or local anesthetic. The swelling can be so intense it ruptures the sutures, which actually happened to a friends newborn. They had to rush him to the ER to have emergency surgery on their 4 day old baby to cauterize his surgical incision to stop the bleeding. Watch a video of a newborn boy being circumcised and tell me that isn't barbaric and it most certainly is mutilation. When a similar procedure is done to newborn females it is literally classified as genital mutilation, but its just accepted by society when its baby boys. In 2014 the very first successful penile transplant took place on a then 21 year old male. His reason for needing the surgery? a botched circumcision. In a time when soap and water are readily available, there is practically zero reason to mutilate a newborn baby boy. In extreme cases of phimosis it is necessary, otherwise its done for cosmetic or religious reasons. Not for any kind of benefit to the child.
And not a truer word was said.
It is absolutely barbaric and absolutely mutilation. I got invited to a friend's Son's bris and, while honored, I absolutely couldn't and in hindsight probably caused a rift with them by telling them exactly what you explained so well @Voodoo. What they were planning to have a rabbi do to their son in a shared ceremony in a non-medical setting (which, in itself is insanity given how important sterilization and sanitation is when you are actively creating an open wound on an infection prone and vulnerable baby) was something I could not morally or ethically participate in.
How you are your body is present in the world is the crux of nudism. I get that people may feel this is something not related to clothing or the lack thereof but, respectfully, I disagree and that argument applies only if you remove nudism from any social setting and focus entirely inwards.
As soon as you put nudism in a social setting is about respect for ones bodily autonomy and their decision to clothe themselves how they see fit, including with no clothes at all. Circumcision on those who are too young to consent or even begin to understand what is being decided to be done to their body by another person is absolutely anti that respect for bodily autonomy.
How you are your body is present in the world is the crux of nudism. I get that people may feel this is something not related to clothing or the lack thereof but, respectfully, I disagree and that argument applies only if you remove nudism from any social setting and focus entirely inwards.As soon as you put nudism in a social setting is about respect for ones bodily autonomy and their decision to clothe themselves how they see fit, including with no clothes at all. Circumcision on those who are too young to consent or even begin to understand what is being decided to be done to their body by another person is absolutely anti that respect for bodily autonomy.
It is absolutely anti bodily autonomy. And when the equivalent procedure is done to an infant girl it is deemed genital mutilation and barbaric. That's the part that makes no sense to me. How can the same people that see this as a horrendous thing if done to a little girl just have zero issue with it being done to a little boy. The issue is it became common practice over the course of generations, now it's "the norm" and what to be expected. And when people speak out against it those who see nothing wrong with it sit back dumbfounded that someone would be outraged by it. They are literally performing a cosmetic procedure that can not be undone on a days old newborn baby. For the record I would be opposed to ANY unnecessary procedure being done on a child, especially a newborn, period. I didn't even pierce my kids ears as newborns, because it was unnecessary. They just went through a very physically traumatic thing, their bodies are trying to heal and recover from that, the last thing they need is a potential infection to deal with.
They literally perform an irreversible procedure where they cut off the most nerve laden part of a newborn males body(which can have double the amount of nerve endings compared to a clitoris for reference), while he is just days old, without any kind of consent, at best they use a topical numbing cream or local anesthetic. The swelling can be so intense it ruptures the sutures, which actually happened to a friends newborn. They had to rush him to the ER to have emergency surgery on their 4 day old baby to cauterize his surgical incision to stop the bleeding. Watch a video of a newborn boy being circumcised and tell me that isn't barbaric and it most certainly is mutilation. When a similar procedure is done to newborn females it is literally classified as genital mutilation, but its just accepted by society when its baby boys. In 2014 the very first successful penile transplant took place on a then 21 year old male. His reason for needing the surgery? a botched circumcision. In a time when soap and water are readily available, there is practically zero reason to mutilate a newborn baby boy. In extreme cases of phimosis it is necessary, otherwise its done for cosmetic or religious reasons. Not for any kind of benefit to the child.
Okay, let's unpack this, and notice how I'm gonna do this without insulting you or patronizing you though i am very confident that this will trigger an intactivist attack on my profile with an absolute goal of Digital Murder.. And my confidence stems from having killed four profiles in social media in the past because I did not fully comply with their propaganda Of those Sick sick people, which by the way have blood on their hands..:
Irreversible So are vaccines
most nerve laden .. Please do google and fact check everything I write below: Did you know that nerves can be up to 2-3 meters long in the human body? That unless you cut out the nucleus, the nerve cell regenerates? That nerve endings are actually just tendrils of said nerves. These regenerate up to 2-3 mm a day. If you shave off the top layer of skin anywhere in your body, will you lose Your Sense Of touch? Why do you think that this will happen on the penis?
Now, do some research and find out how much of your optic nerve you can lose because of glaucoma, for example, before you actually start to notice a reduction in your ability to see. And the answer is the vast majority of it, because it is freaking redundant. Now try to imagine how redundant the primary purpose of existence, which is reproduction, is furnished with by the human body.
Of course, this is pseudoscience, but so is the bullshit that the intactivists are peddling. There is no discussion to be had here because we had in Africa two studies with 40 and 20,000 men which reported an improvement in sensation, not reduction, over a period of two years. The explanations have to conform to that reality, not the other way around.
Double the amount of nerves than the clitoris No, it does not find me a source. A scientific source, not a pop-sci propaganda website.
The choice of words mutilation and cutting off Mutilation is amputation plus disfigurement. That is the definition. If we are to pass personal judgment freely, then I can do that too, and I can call regular penises deformed potatoes. And I know they look like that because unlike you I live in a country where 99% of men are not circumcised and I actually have a sample that is not porn to base my Perception on. Similarly, for the choice of cutting off, would you say that to a patient who has a tumor removed? It's technically cutting off, but would you use such language? No, because you know that words have power and you wouldn't want to intentionally hurt someone who doesn't deserve it. So why are you doing this here? You have to choose what kind of person you are in this dialogue.
This is important because tomorrow your son might need to have a circumcision. And are you going to talk to him with this language? Are you going to be that horrible parent? I don't think so. I think you will find in yourself to be more kind.
Without consent and days oldparents have to make a ton of decisions about their child's body in the first days. Some are life-saving. Some look grueling to a bystander. But this is the nature of Medical procedures for better or worse. Either way, it's their child and it's not our choice to make, it's theirs.
At best with numbing cream or local anestheticIt is mandatory to use local anesthetic injections Or a one-off opioid. What did you expect them to use?
Watch a videoYou're talking about horrifying videos where boys freeze and go into shock because of the pain. I will have you know that this happens when you slap them also. It also happens when you vaccinate them. It also happens in many other cases and other surgeries which might be life-saving, for example. What are you advocating for here? What is the argument? I'm confused.
Penis Transplant StoryDid you read about the non-medical conditions under which this circumcision was done? This is apples to oranges, and no one is advocating that circumcision does not have risks. What we are advocating is that the risks and benefits are equal on both sides. I'm not advocating that everyone should get circumcised. I'm saying that I don't Judge people that take one choice over the other.
Soap and water availableSoap and water is available in Brazil, but they lose 650 penises to cancer, leading to penectomies in adults. Per year, that is. Also, if we could socially distance, we wouldn't need the COVID vaccine. If we could be loyal, there wouldn't be The HIV epidemic. In fact, if we could do all these things, then there wouldn't be any infectious disease Outbreak. But we can't. It's proven by practice. Therefore, Mitigations such as vaccines are warranted. I'm not examining what circumcision was in the past. It could be whatever they wanted it to be. They could believe that it opened the portal to a new dimension where money and virgins And science documentaries poured out of. If in the past they were wrong about so many things in medical science, why is it so hard to imagine that they could be wrong about circumcision's ability to disable people sexually?
circumcision today is a vaccine it doesn't matter what it was in invented for or what it was in the past we have a solution which addresses certain problems there are costs there are benefits and they are roughly equal sliding to one way or the other based only on Social And economic circumstances, essentially.
Why is it so hard for people to stop calling us mutilated? Why is it so hard for them to accept that we, who did it as adults, are happy with it? Even us, I, who was not forced but chose it. I am happy, I am healthy, I am very sexually active. Please stop insulting us. Please stop belittling us. Please stop writing hurtful shit that your children tomorrow will read, and because they might need to be circumcised will eventually kill themselves Reading.
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