In response to Princedale.......
Your point #1, in fact *is* valid ! I freely admit as a fully functional normal male, I do particularly enjoy seeing nude women ! I'm not dead !
That it's sexually based, strictly speaking, is true. I enjoy seeing women largely because they ARE women ! How can that NOT be sexual to a certain extent. That it's a purient interest would be wrong. It's merely a deep appreciation for one of the best ideas God ever had ! Age is irrelevant, as are a number of other things one might think were a factor, but are not.
Your point #2, the body image thing.
Methinks that's also valid. Society does depict the "perfect" woman as being the minimum acceptable standard all too often, when it is not.
Very young girls don't care, as we see them scampering about at resorts, and neither do older women ( and/or men ) when we reach the point in life where we just don't really care WHAT our peers think of our appearance. It's the middle ground that's the biggest problem, when young women think that any single hair out of place is a disaster. Of course, after about 1 visit, maybe 15 minutes at a resort we all learn that it's also completely irrelevant, and only the perverts care, or notice.
True, "middle aged" women ( and to a lesser extent, men ) have some degree of self consiousness about body image at first, but it's truly an extension of the social aspects of the textile world, where woman are in constant, and sometimes fierce competition with each other to be better looking. ( to istinctively be the best they can be, and attract a suitable mate ) We see it in clothing, jewelry, hair styles, makeup, everything, and largely unimportant to men. We even see it at resorts with jewlery, the various sarongs so prevelant in a "nude" environment, especially in the evenings., makeup, and such. It puzzles me that "nude" is far too often NOT nude at all, even when it truly doesn't matter one whit to most.
This societal ingraining of the superficially "important" is hard to shake, no matter who you are, or are not. As a result, the women I know, textiles, have severe reservations about being nude in any non-private context based entirely on their perception of the superficial, and quite shallow, perception of what's "important" in appearance, believing that some things are hidden beneath clothing. Well, these things ARE hidden beneath clothing, which inadvertantly creates a focus on what can't be seen. It seems it's only AFTER these things are exposed, be it cellulite, "a few extra pounds" or whatever, that once revealed, and noted, never again noticed, seen, mentioned, or in any way any concern to anyone, that one can accept that when nude, men look women in the eye.
The "undressing with his eyes" thing is a valid concern to most women. Most have a very difficult time accepting that when one can NOT undress her with his eyes, because she's already undressed, that this mystery is revealed, that it becomes what it truly is. Irrelevant. Not only not a big deal, but in fact, no deal at all !
Women by their nature, and by evolutionary design ( which does not even remotely suggest *not* created that way by a higher being ) are the nururing protectors of children. It's SUPPOSED to be that way. Women instinctively seek to protect something, even when there is nothing to be protected, and this can extend to their own self-image and body conciousness.
Men, on the other hand, are the hunters, the gatherers, the risk takers, by evolutionary design. It stands to reason that men will be far, far more willing to take the risk, and strip off in public, even when they intellectually have reservations.
It's instinct, coming from lower brain functions.
It's my opinion that when we recognize this, rather than deny it, and allow for the feelings of aprehension that MUST be more intense in women, allow the patience for the higher brain to overcome the lower brain, and for a woman to learn deep down in her very being that there is no danger. There is nothing to protect, because there is no threat. When we get to that point, there is nothing to prevent a woman from walking naked and proud among others as any man. It seems that once women have overcome this natural apprehension that women, not men, hold onto their new found freedom and aceptance just as fiercly as they at first refused.
To that end, and again IMHO, it *is* up to men to fight the perverts, and eliminate them from the venues, so as to eliminate any validity to the concerns that women have.
Men are ideally suited to this fight, as it's OUR instinct to protect and defend our women, at any and all costs.
When women in general can see and understand that this protection exists, that we will fight on their behalf any challengeas may occure, then women can become as comfortable in a nudist experience as any man, or anyone at all for that matter, as comfortable as the little children who know none of this, and happily scamper through the resorts, and in the textile world as well when young enough, as naked as the day they were born, with not a care or worry for anything. When this can be domnstrated at a lower brian, instinctive level, this "problem" simply ceases to exist.
It's our responsibility, not an option, to make this environment so. As men, to eliminate the cheaters, liers, and the other perverts from the nude venues as soon as they are discovered. If we are not willing to do so, then we surrender our masculinity along with shirking that responsibility.
My opinion. The rambelings of an individual.
Lot's of good insights, answers and a few accusations levelled.
What's the big deal overall? We've been naked most places we ever find to swim, boat, or just sunbathe. It's not really a matter of avoiding anyone, often I do it without my significant other or some friend that tags along (when I'm on the road travelling...I ask if there's a nude beach nearby or so....most responses are "of course").
It's always best for safety's sake, when crowded areas lesson the threat some, but my preference is secluded areas where there's no overriding problem...for the most part.
On the question of worrying about someone watching me and having sexual thoughts? Of course they're going to have those. Why deny we're human? ALso for me seeing a nearby sun bather growing a hard-on from watching me? It's more a sign of respect I think. WE usually giggle it off. If there's a friendship struck, all the more better.
Hi, I think that a major problem for BOTH males and females is body acceptance. But unlike men, women who by and large seem to be of the opinion "what the hell, there is nothing I can do about my size down there" (at least that is my attitude); women seem to be less accepting of this.
As for the clothes optional thing that is a good place to start in my opinion. In my view folks should be left to do things at their own pace in this typ of situation;nothing is more of-putting than having to be told "you have to do this or that" when you are in a social setting.
Someone mentioned earlier about the way people feel the need to conform. I have not had experience of this myself, but one of my friends told me of an incident when she visited Japan. She went to have a sauna and as usual (well it is in Britain) put on her one piece cossy; only to find that everyone else there was totally nude. As a result she felt very uncomfortable, went back to the locker room, stripped off and felt much better when she went back. (As far as I know she is not a naturist/nudist).
Hello everyone, I have friends that are femael and arent nudists and im wondering how some of the female members in this site get motivated to become nude
Once upon a time, I wanted a better tan. Now I know how foolish it is to risk skin cancer. Nonetheless, it is still comfortable to be nude.
I was vacationing at a resort in the Caribbean. The first two days were spent on the beach
sitting in a soggy swimsuit and being chafed by sand. I signed up for a day boat trip and
picnic at a beach on an island away from the resort. As we were leaving, I discovered that
the excursion was to an island with a nude beach! I decided to go anyway, thinking no way
was anybody getting me out of my suit. I stood firm and, in fact, was the last person to
give in and shed my swimsuit - I was the last one to get dressed to return to the resort.
Why hadn't someone told me about this sooner? I was hooked, and that was over 40 years ago.
The phrase, "nude when possible, clothed when practical," definitely describes me. I do
wear at least shoes when vacuuming the house though as I have a habit of running over my
toes with the vacuum cleaner.
Once upon a time, I wanted a better tan. Now I know how foolish it is to risk skin cancer. Nonetheless, it is still comfortable to be nude.
Some skin Dr's are starting to say that 15 mins of sun 3 times a week with no sunscreen on can actually be benificial! And may even help prevent skin cancer. Not to mention it's one of the best ways to get Vit D into your body.(Get the sun before youbathe with soap asthe oil on ur skin is part of making Vit D ).
After that.... lather up with the spf30 or higher and enjoy the sun..... I know I love the sun on my whole body.... feels great!
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