I only joined this site recently and I selected Atheist in my profile. There is problem with that though. Atheists are people who either believe there isn't a god or don't believe there is one (according to most dictionaries). I am not technically an Atheist; I don't believe there isn't or not believe there is. It was just the nearest option. I know unequivocally that there isn't a god. Religions are fairy stories created by men.
Throughout history religions have brought misery on people. Most wars and conflicts have religion at their root. It's about power and control. I am opposed to all religions and would like to see them abolished. I find religion offensive and statements such as 'the way god made us to be' even more offensive.
"Imagine there's no heaven, It's easy if you try, No hell below us, Above us only sky... Imagine there's no countries, It isn't hard to do, Nothing to kill or die for, And no religion too, Imagine all the people, Living life in peace..." He was probably assassinated at the hand of one or more of the religions for popularising Atheism with these lyrics.
Stephen Fry (www.stephenfry.com) (Wiki - www.en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_Fry) recently said in an interview on The Meaning of Life with Gay Byrne, in answer to Byrne's question "what if it is true and you end up confronted by god, what will you say him/her/it?"... "Bone cancer in children. What's that about? How dare you? How dare you create a world in which there is such misery that is not our fault? It's not right. It's utterly, utterly evil"... "The god that created this universe, if it was created by a god, is quite clearly a maniac, utter, maniac - totally selfish... yes the world is very splendid, but it also has in it insects whose whole lifecycle is to burrow into the eyes of children and make them blind. Why?" You can see part of that interview here on YouTube... www.youtube.com/watch?v=-suvkwNYSQo
So you see this is one of many reasons why I find religion offensive and also anyone who believes in, supports and promotes it. In my opinion, anyone who believes that a god created this universe is also a maniac.
Oh, I've been a nudist inherently since I was born, and a practising one for over 45 years.
You did not give John Lennon credit for his amazing
lyrics.
Imagine there's no heaven, It's
easy if you try,
No hell below us, Above us only sky...
Imagine
there's no countries, It isn't hard to do,
Nothing to kill or die for, And no religion too,
Imagine all the people, Living life in peace...
I also read about the religions in India where the monks in general are nude. The women however are not. I can't think of any religions where worshipping takes place in the nude - both for men and women. There are some tribes in the Amazonas that live completely in the nude - except that the men cover the penis with a leaf or something. Are there any tribes that live completely in the nude?
There is no problem with ANY religion. The problem is with the people who insist that EVERYONE believe and practice what they believe. All too often these fanatics say that everyone should do as they say and ignore what they actually do.
So I have a question, and I hope to ask it in a way that does not offend anybody. Also hope that it was not previously discussed and I missed it. I was raised Catholic by my grandmother. But decided that it was not for me, I had issues with certain parts of the belief that, for the most part are irrelevant to my question, so I won't go into them. I have also tried going to some nondenominational (?) Christian churches, but again did not feel that they were right for me. Anyway, among these many attempts to find a right place for me, I was always told nudity was wrong, especially in a mixed group with someone you are not married to. I was even given grief, by a youth group I was once a part of, over a comment I had once made about a girl's bikini when we went swimming at a member's pool. In case it matters, a girl came out wearing a suite that was practicaly not there and I had said "hey, girl's name, with a suit that small, we my as well go skinny-dipping". I got a couple of evil looks, and had a conversation with some later. No issue with the girl in the bikini, quite a bit of grief over my comment, which was by the way, I admit was a bit inappropriate and I did apologize for it. But I was also kinda testing the water about how receptive they were about the idea. But the main problem with the group was my suggestion of nudity amongst us. So in a long winded kind of way, my question is; How do people of any religious belief, especially those with strong stances against being socially nude find a way to get the two issues to coexist within themselves? I hope I phrased it right.Again, I'm not asking to be the cause of any trouble, to be a wiseass, or to offend. If someone is offened, I apologize, and you don't need to comment if you don't feel like it. But, I am sincerely asking as someone who is ignorant of information and am asking for that information. The only way to learn, is to ask. Right? Sincerely, Stitch.
Is the question basically how can one be religious or Christian and still believe in naturismand/or how do they jive with one another doctrinally?
If there's not conflict between Chrisitianity and nudism, there is tension, but that tension exists in the Bible as well. In the OT nudity is organic and wholesome until the fall from grace comes in the Garden of Eden. Do Adam and Eve cover themselves out of shame for their bodies or is their shame before God expressed by covering their bodies? In the NT you have the fisherman working naked (as was common practice then) to be called to follow Jesus, but then the Apostle Paul changes the focus of the human body as being weak and evil and the Church becomes the Body. I see how fear of one's own body can be a mechanism for control (which effective organizations require) that takes away from the core religious beliefs of love, compassion and oneness.
If there's not conflict between Chrisitianity and nudism, there is tension, but that tension exists in the Bible as well. In the OT nudity is organic and wholesome until the fall from grace comes in the Garden of Eden. Do Adam and Eve cover themselves out of shame for their bodies or is their shame before God expressed by covering their bodies? In the NT you have the fisherman working naked (as was common practice then) to be called to follow Jesus, but then the Apostle Paul changes the focus of the human body as being weak and evil and the Church becomes the Body. I see how fear of one's own body can be a mechanism for control (which effective organizations require) that takes away from the core religious beliefs of love, compassion and oneness.
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