One question though - I have come across several massage practitioners who are happy to [let] themselves be touched, even massaged sometimes. I always ask and never assume. Are you saying thats never ok?
By right, when receiving a theraputic massage it is NEVER okay to touch the massage provider. Thee may be times when they may lean one of your limbs against their body to perform a particular maneuver or stretch, but you should still remain loose as you lay on the table, as the session is about the needs of your body.
If you're getting a sensual/erotic massage, you might be able to touch the provider depending on if the provider allows it along with the work that they perform on you. As you stated, it is probably best to check in on if it's okay to do so rather than just think it's okay to do so and assume it would be part of the session. Just as you want the provider to respect your personal boundaries, you must respect their personal boundaries as well. I hope this clarifies things a bit.
I live in Universal Cit Texas right near San Antonio and have been to a few massage places and received two happy ending without asking so I felt sooo much better afterwords. I would love one at least once a month....lol
Most people being massaged want to touch their therapist. In a professional massage this would be considered unethical and possibly illegal. Why? As long as the person or people massaging you don't object it only increases pleasure and relaxation. In our massages we encourage it.
I totally agree! whilst a desire or need to touch the therapist would never really exist during a massage purely focussed on adressing a physical/muscular ailment, in many other massages with a focus on relaxation and wellbeing of the mind, body and soul, there can certainly be an almost natural urge to touch the massage therapist. Often promoted by the close, intimate environment, even more so when naked. The touch doesn't even necesarily have any sexual motive, I think it can more often than not, even be just as an unspoken expression of appreciation and gratitude to the therapist, the feeling of wellbeing promoting a natural desire to share in the joys of physical contact, human connection and touch. Certainly it is always essential and only correct that there is a respectful appreciation of each others 'physical boundaries' and yes, it can be beneficial if these boundaries are previously fully understood, so enhancing everyones relaxation. However, if and where these boundaries are breached then a knowledgeable therapist will simply, gently but 'firmly' move any 'offending' hand away and any educated person should understand and respect any such action and behave accordingly. Many 'problems' maybe occur when people go for a relaxing massage with almost a sole intention or motive of experiencing 'free' sexual gratification / sexual / orgasmic release. Whilst there can be little doubting the pleasures of intimate massage and the intense relaxation promoted by orgasmic release, the wellbeing benefits of massage go far beyond those 'basic' aspects. I certainly feel that the very best massages involve not just the physical body, but the mind and soul.....taking us to our joyful place, if that involves the joys of mutual touch, then that can be truly wonderful.....should that pleasure give rise to any orgasmic bliss, then that should happen as something totally natural and mutual, as just a part of the massage exprience, and not as the primary objective. So ensuring the massage experience of creating a feeling of wellbeing is mutually satisfying for all.
In our massages we encourage it.
There seems to me to be a difference betweeen massage provided in a professional setting and one between - or among - friends. In a professional setting, where you are paying for services, mutual touch may be allowed and even encouraged but should never be assumed. In a personal setting where friends are sharing massage, there should be an explicit or implicit understanding at the beginning about mutual touch. I also encourage it when delivering a massage to a friend.
I've seen this show, and truly love that host.. she is very inquisitive and makes the show very interesting. It truly is sad that women don't have that option or opportunity to have the happy ending.. I know a lot of women are very sexual also, but from my understanding is that they also can suppress it better than men. Hopefully I'm wrong, but there needs to be some changes to the system. I'm all for women getting the same treatment as men.. if they want it.
You are correct, and yes, it is frowned upon even to mention it during a therapeutic session in this country.
However, in a nudist setting, it should be more common, in my opinion.
I was in Austin overnight many years back and was surprised to find a mobile masseuse service. After introductions and setting up her portable table in my hotel room, she asked what kind of massage I was interested in: back, full body, etc. I told her a full body. I immediately informed her I did not require the towel for cover, so she removed it. After an hour or so she had completely covered my body except my genitals. Lying on my back in full glory, she knew I was enjoying the session so she asked if I wanted to finish. It was wonderful, so wonderful I felt guilty that she had worked for two hours with only a cash reward, so I asked her if she would like a massage. Initially, she was skeptical but I did convince her to try one. She said it was the first time anyone had offered her a massage; others had expected sex but never a massage. She left two hours later, fully relaxed. She was so relaxed that she gave herself a treat as I covered her entire body with my oily palms.
So, yes, it can be a part of a therapeutic massage if both understand the benefits, I sure did.
I think the below quote nails this topic to the wall very effectively, bringing the other posts into some perspective. It indeed goes way off the original topic, but we are here to share concepts related to nudism and I support an open exchange.her pleasure is always first,mine comes after,i always ask and it is my top priority in sex
Yes, she comes first, both a fine philosophy and a wonderful book, written by a guy who surely knows his way all around a clit, Dr. Ian Kerner. And yes, there are diagrams for you lost puppies when you're down under! Read it, heed it - and keep the towels handy. Now on to the other:
What the post above brings to light is that a so-called 'Happy Ending' (referred to as HE from here on, even though I'll also call it HER to include the vaginally-inclined reading this thread - aka Happy Ending [with slight] Return) IS a sexual act. Whether it is shared between a monogamous couple, a group of accepting adults, or a full on, mutually beneficial, cream-caked massage party, it is still sexual contact, and there's not a damned thing wrong with it as long as everyone is on board. Although, if monies are being exchanged or there is some form of bartering involved, I feel that has no place in a professional massage business -- unless it is a professional sexual massage business. And there's also not a damned thing wrong with the latter business - outside of a nudist resort. It does no good for anyone involved in, or in support of, a wholesome, healthy nudist community in general, to begin promoting the idea that, just because a massage is done in a nudist resort - even if both the massage therapist and client are nude - there is any reason for that to include any sexual activity. Prostitution inside a nude resort is surely an equation for disaster.
Pushing apart the two sides of the thread completely, there is healthy, therapeutic massage and there is anything which involves an orgasm. These two activities are not mutually-exclusive, but if sexual fluids are released and a credit card number or cash is exchanged, this is something more than therapeutic massage. Again, if no one is being paid and everyone involved is into it and of age, go to town, cover the walls with the stuff, HE&HER to your heart's and hard-on's delight, but do try to keep the noise down with respect given to the family of five in the next room, please.
Any talk about how prudish America is, because a paid-for massage doesn't automatically assume or include an orgasm - the laws in most US states don't allow open, legal prostitution. If the therapist puts fingers against/around/inside a client for some type of sexual release, please call it what it is and quit beating around any bushes here. Trying to suggest that this activity is not money for sex is not helpful to any real nudists, because if you want to push together two separate forms of work -- paid sexual massage or paid therapeutic massage -- it weakens the strength behind the overall nudist/naturist message dramatically. If this thread is taken to mean the person giving the service is being paid to administer a HE or HER, sure, why not? But call it a spade and be done with it.
And yes, of course we are all sexual; I'm not here to try to crack open that hard nut very far - about how some here in True Nudists will not give up on the false premise that nudism cannot or should not ever be separated from our innate human sexuality, that by the separation of the erotic from the nude we are somehow not being honest. There is a world of beauty and freedom to be had when life is being lived without clothing to hide behind, and without it reverting to nothing more than animal desire.
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