Interesting interesting. Appreciated the Australian data. Thanks to all. I'm trying to understand the obstacles, and any patterns that can be derived from the successes of Vermont, Hauliver, Gunnison Beach. What is the common denominator in those successes? Anyone compared them? Thanks for all the help!
Common denominator may be the degree to which the beach or venue is self-policed for appropriate public behavior....to weed out the bad apples who are there for the wrong reasons. Also perhaps the moral enlightenment of the community which recognized being without clothes is not a sin.
The thing is if someone found out that an elected person was a nudist that the elected person most likely be voted out if the voters were made aware over his/her nudist lifestyle, even though he/she was the best one and always did the best for the area he/she represented.
No politician in the United States will support nudity if it is presented directly as nudity. Too many groups and individuals associate nudity with sex and sex with child pornography or worse.
However, I think there are ways to approach the issue and get their support. As a group, or organization we have been directing our efforts at the politicians as if they were rational creatures. But they are not. The Right thinks one way and the Left thinks in a different direction. We, as an organization often present ourselves to others thinking that they think and behave like we do. But this is not correct.
So here's what I think would need to happen in order to get current politicians interested in supporting beaches, etc...
For the right wing politicians we would need to present the issue of nudity as an example where government regulations have limited our growth as a small business. We need to show the numbers of people interested in taking vacations that involve nude recreation. The resorts would need to be seen as small businesses that are trying to keep open in the face of local anti-nudity laws. We need to show that with a smaller government Americans would be free to exercise their First Amendment Rights of free speech and the freedom to wear as much or as little as they see fit to wear. To accomplish such a thing the AANR or TN or other group of like minded individuals would need to establish a non-profit group to explore the health benefits of natural products, or some such ambiguous sounding group. The group puts out news stories that are pro-nudity in content. If AANR or TN puts out a story or new item it is already seen as suspect since they are nude organizations promoting themselves. But if an organization with a bland sounding name such as The American Health Institute were to put out the same article it would be taken at face value and not be pre-judged. So, for the right, we need to make a financial argument that nudism is an industry with great growth potential that is being hampered by government regulations.
As for the left wing politicians, they are interested in more laws protecting the freedoms of individuals. For this group we need to address how we are being discriminated against by local laws. And, the right seems more interested in celebrity endorsements so finding such an individual would be key in convincing these individuals.
I'm not a lobbyist, I never studied government or political science in college. But I have watched the political scene over the years and see how each side behaves and what they react to. Oh, and I have stayed at the Holiday Inn Express once.
Dave
Only if it was a small facet of their platform, and even them most people would be either neutral or against it. There's currently an effort being made to designate a Tampa nude beach, and I'd be really happy just with that. The puritans came here in the 1600's, how the hell are they still influencing nudity laws? So strange how you can show someone's brains smeared across the pavement on T.V. here, but when it comes to nudity not even an uncensored female breast.
It's interesting that the article shared by Awesam (Post #11) was published in November 2016 and, in reading that article, how every part of what she said would happen with Trump as president has happened.
I believe when it comes to politics and public nudity, there are many who are closet nudists who enjoy it secretly in their home but would condemn it when out in public...much like those who appear to be the perfect example of their religious beliefs only during time of public worship but are the exact opposite otherwise. We all know people like this.
Unfortunately, if a politician were to make a push for more public nudity as one of the primary points of their campaign, it would be political suicide for them. In order for one to make effective changes, it would have to be done on the sly once elected. They would have to introduce legislature and legislative changes a bit at a time. Changes like introducing legislation which would allow lakes located in state parks to be clothing optional and maybe use an argument for it like those visiting our state parks on hot summer days may need to cool down to avoid serious medical conditions like heat exhaustion or heat stroke and being able to remove their clothing to go for a swim would allow them to do so. Then the following year expand it to allow it in county parks and with city parks it would take a public vote to prevent it but a city would still have to make provisions for clothing optional swimming areas. Etc.
It would have to be done like a sculptor creating a statue. They don't just place their chisel in one spot, strike it with a hammer, and suddenly a masterpiece work of art is created. They do many little taps here and there with an occasional heavy tap and taking their time to create that masterpiece statue.
On the national level? Probably not. On a local level, there are some places where it might work. A few years ago there was some controversy over nudity in San Francisco and the city council voted on it, but they ended up voting to make it more restrictive. I do however think that doing it locally would be the way to go.
I think the answer is to promote it through the universities. I don't see politicians promoting anything of the sort as was stated earlier it would be suicide especially if it was someone on the right.I think the Youth of America are ready for a revolution in naturism. I for one would be willing to give seminars as I posted on the legal site in the Forum. I have met many of my son's friends who are totally into they're naked freedom but don't attend Resorts and beaches, just do it among friends.Educating the young minds at the colleges and universities about the freedom of naturism and its benefits would probably have more of a positive impact than any other method.
This has been my thought as well. In fact I have been a bit frustrated with the lack of targeting of the youth in the nudist community. I think the reason they tend to skew upward in age is sort of a self fulfilling prophecy. There need to been people willing to start and promote nudist clubs and such in universities. It should involve activities college students would be interested in.
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