RE:The church and nudism

Bathing in the roof was extremely common. No one in the Bible ever gets into trouble for simply being nude.

I always thought it was interesting that it was David who got into trouble for watching Bathsheba bathe and Bathsheba was never accused of doing anything wrong.I think bathing on the roof was fairly common in that time.

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Women often got treated better in the Bible than men. For instance, this is my personal pet peeve; when the angle Gabriel tells Mary she's going to conceive, she says (paraphrasing) "how is it possible for I don't know man"? Then Gabriel tells her that it's all right, God will take care of things. But when the same angel visits Zechariah and tells him that his wife Elizabeth is going to have a child and he says, "how is this possible for she is very old"? BAMM!!! He's made mute for his doubt. Had to stay that way for 9 months. I bet he learned a lesson or two.

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I always thought it was interesting that it was David who got into trouble for watching Bathsheba bathe and Bathsheba was never accused of doing anything wrong.I think bathing on the roof was fairly common in that time.

Actually, David did not get into trouble for watching her bathe. He got into serious trouble for lusting after her, sending her husband into battle without going himself, and making sure her husband was killed. David sinned with lust, coveting another mans wife, and arranging the murder of her husband.

It wasnt about nudity but serious crimes.

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I've always been extremely reserved about it, scared and embarrassed to be seen naked or even have anyone know I do. I was trained that way as a child by my mother thinking she was protecting me from lust issues. But that has all been compelled to change, and now it seems time to really go 'public' with it, not public in view but let everyone know that getting our mind accustomed to common nudity and ignoring it is the key to unlocking lust addictions, and that we've been getting things backwards in that respect, ruining the lives of ourselves at times and driving our children into immorality simply by dressing them all the time and wearing garments constantly around them. I have wrote up my testimony how God delivered me from porn addiction in direct answer to prayer, (I was my own live porn for 33 years, it dominated my life in secret) using naturism to do it. And how I came to realize the shocking truth that it was my parents conservative, moral, clothing covered lifestyle they raised me in that drove my mind to turn the natural body into porn, and to recondition my mind out of that channel I had to go nude a lot and ignore myself, thus causing the subconscious lust generating element of my brain to also ignore the body and stop using it to inspire lust. For all that time nude and sexual lust went together hand in hand in my mind, I could not conceive of the two being separate. So it was quite the shocking revelation that they were and need to be totally separate things, and intentionally splitting them is the key to breaking lust addictions, curing porn addiction, alleviating same sex lust compulsion, etc. In my discovery of the issue it was Isaiah 20 that got to me. God actually commanded Isaiah to go naked in public for 3 years to give extra effect and attention to proclaim a certain message. If it were a moral crime to be seen naked in public by anyone God would be telling him to commit a moral crime. We can agree that God would not tell anyone to commit a moral crime, therefore being seen naked in public must not be a moral crime at all, must be entirely irrelevant. So soon as I can figure out how to get my new computer printer to work I will get the several page write up printed and hand it out to several of my church friends, principal members. I'm hoping my veal logical explanation and my own testimony will be understandable in spite of the fact that I'm breaking and fighting long standing moral traditions. We are SDA and I think us and Baptists are considered about the most dress conservative anti nude tupes around.

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Bathing in the roof was extremely common. No one in the Bible ever gets into trouble for simply being nude.I always thought it was interesting that it was David who got into trouble for watching Bathsheba bathe and Bathsheba was never accused of doing anything wrong.I think bathing on the roof was fairly common in that time.

In contrast, many people believe that David was nude when he fought Goliath, as portrayed in several works of art.
The Bible says David took off Saul's armor and tunic and doesn't mention him putting anything on.
In addition, both combat and shepherding were sometimes done nude in ancient times since clothing was difficult to make and maintain, so it was not worn when it was likely to be damaged.

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The churches stance has always been to put clothes on any country they go to, such as Africa and Australia. So really I can't see that the church will have changed its mind. Most still think it is still wrong to be naked.

I sometimes wonder how differently things would have developed if missionaries to Africa, Australia (and South America and the Pacific Islands for that matter) would have decided that the indigenous populations had the right idea by wearing little or nothing in hot areas and significantly reduced or even eliminated their level of clothing.

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Anthropologists have some things to say about that.I sometimes wonder how differently things would have developed if missionaries to Africa, Australia (and South America and the Pacific Islands for that matter) would have decided that the indigenous populations had the right idea by wearing little or nothing in hot areas and significantly reduced or even eliminated their level of clothing.For one thing, when clothing is introduced to a nude society, marital fidelity goes from nearly 100% to the western cultural norm -- which is a long way from 100%. Porn, which had been completely unheard of, becomes a thing is such societies.

Clothing is the problem, not the solution.

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The last thing we care about...if at all...is what the church says about anything. Outdated irrelevant death cults have nothing to offer reasonable and rational adults

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Or we can all act like grown ups and put away childish beliefs and engage with reality the world might be better.

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The satanic temple says that they invented guilt and shame to control people I think that's right if you got a naked happy person they're really hard to control and force them to be sheep. I'm not a sheep I'm a wolf and and wolves don't wear clothes

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