Great topic.To say that sexuality should be removed, like some sort of toggle switch, just because we're in a nudist environment . . .is absurd.We are sexual creatures, and the urge to pro-create is just about as strong as our urge to eat, drink, seek shelter.Is it possible to have sexual thoughts in a nudist environment ? Yes.Is it possible to have sexual thoughts in a textile environment ? Yes.The difference is, in a nudist environment the result may be a lot more evident. . . .especially for males.Does that make our biology wrong because it is NOT hidden under a veil of fabric ?In the end, it's how you act on your thoughts, that becomes the determining factor.It's also entirely possible to admire someone's body without a sexual thought.As an example, last week there was a couple laying close to me.They both had fantastic tattoos.I guess that I was looking a little too long, because the guy said "excuse me".I apologized for staring, but then struck up a conversation about their ink.We talked at great lengths about the meaning of certain tattoos, the artist(s), the location, the pain . . .etc.Would this have happened in a textile environment ? Maybe.Who's to say ?The point is, we are who we are, whether clothed or naked.Also, I believe that we are sexually hard-wired .Straight, Gay, Bi . . .or somewhere along the Kinsey ScaleScale to Measure Human SexualityThat we cannot control the people (or other) that cause us sexual stimulation.Unfortunately, sometimes it puts others in a vulnerable position.Are there sexual predators at a nude beach ? Probably, because there is broad cross section of people attending .Are there sexual predators at a textile beach ? Probably, for exactly the same reason.The man who gets a hard-on watching kids play in the sand, will do so clothed or not.And while most of will agree this is reprehensible behaviour, I would argue that he has no choice.He does however, have a choice to act on those urges . . .and that's where humanity come in.In much the same that I do not pursue sexual contact with someone who I find attractive (or finds me attractive) . . .because I am in a committed relationship.I make choices based on my own morality.
Hi, thanks for responding to my Forum Post. I have to say, I agree with everything you say, it's good to read that some people are in-tune with what my post was about and comments accordingly.
I have not looked at or read the Kinsey scale on sexuality, I will have to read through it and see what it's about.
Guess what?Anger, is a part of us.Violence, is a part of us.Do we allow those things out whenever, just because they're a part of us? Or as civilized people, do we exercise a modicum of self control, and only let it out in the appropriate time and place? These tedious attempts to welcome sexual behavior or displays into the nudist/naturist world are getting boring.Ditto
If you and Rabbit and Bunny can't even be arsed to read something properly and comment accordingly, then mind your own damn business.
I don't actually care what you think MOW. You seem to forget, EVERYONE on here has an opinion, some can see exactly what I was talking about in my discussion, but you obviously can't.
So go DITTO yourself somewhere else.
. The vital thing is knowing the difference between nudity and sex, or porn. Each has its place and, yes, they can overlap. But if we confuse the two we will lose the ability to persuade the public at large about non-sexual nudity.
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. The vital thing is knowing the difference between nudity and sex, or porn. Each has its place and, yes, they can overlap. But if we confuse the two we will lose the ability to persuade the public at large about non-sexual nudity.DITTO
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Guess what?Anger, is a part of us.Violence, is a part of us.Do we allow those things out whenever, just because they're a part of us? Or as civilized people, do we exercise a modicum of self control, and only let it out in the appropriate time and place? These tedious attempts to welcome sexual behavior or displays into the nudist/naturist world are getting boring.Ditto
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it is an interesting reflection on society when a naturist ethos is to convince textiles that we are not sexual in our intent of being naked. That is like a tiger trying to tell you it will not bite. There are times when normal and not polarised naturists will feel sexual around other naked people, that might be generated by the other people or it may just be a manifestation of something that was already there.Textiles do not believe this message and for good reason, they have no comprehension of it being possible. They live in a world dominated by image and clothing (sex), one of the main purposes of clothing is to conceal and therefore create the want to see or an illusion of what might be. So that when removed, even partially this creates sensuality. The whole concept of marketing, fashion and many other industries use this factor so to dispute it would be a polorised view and a futile attempt to redefine human nature.Why naturists feel the need to make statements on sex / nudity disassociation baffles me, i can think of no other lifestyle choice that seeks to deny human nature in establishing their own identity. (other than religion of course). Perhaps this is the reason the LGBT movement, ethic movements and many others now have a loud and well deserved voice where we naturists are still in the closet so to speak. We simply try so hard to denounce human nature that no one believes a word we say.As previously stated by others, on any beach there will be those who seek non permissive sexual interactions, this is regardless of clothing, it is a reflection of society and a matter of numbers. Even in a church there will by numerical calculation be sexual predators ( a very well proven fact). To state that those who embrace human nature and are still at a stage of health / age where these things are of value to them in a lifestyle choice are in the minority or indeed wrong is generalising. It assumes anti social intent on the part of every human who has ever had a sexual thought from a naked image, so most of us. Sex is a beautiful thing, bodies can be equally so. the combination is an evolutionary one and will not be changed by school boy statements of indignant morality clearly generated by either a constrictive religious belief or a lack of enjoyment of life.If naturists actually state -yep bodies are great and the right one at the right time can be a real turn on, then textile would say ok i can understand that. If we then say that being naked removes the lies about our bodies that clothing can create then they would reluctantly have to agree. If we finally say that sexual exploitation is driven by a world where the 'you cant see it' tease is driven into children and adults and body shame is endemic as there are no real comparisons then they might just start to think of what world they are supporting and marketing.Naturism will never be accepted by the majority until we admit to being human and stop preaching some better than you ethic that is blatantly not supported or justified as being the common opinion. Naturism is not a religion, it is a freedom of the mind not a restriction to comply and be a better person defined by someone else's values. I think some of the views on this site reflect the dominating influence of Christianity in American society, it would be nice to read posts that reflect human nature and a connection with life that actually shows the value of nudity not read even more constrictions and fake values. Want to know why young people are saying no to naturism - simply because you are preaching how they should act, this creates guilt and that is what they turned to naturism to remove.To read this rant and believe it is a plea for beach orgies is to miss the point, it is a statement of fact that we like sex, we like nudity and the 2 are interlinked, any study of responses to imagery will prove this. What we should be stating is that sexual interactions are beautiful and must be mutually consenting and be respective to the environment in which they are conducted to enable it to be guilt free. In other words we are saying exactly the same thing as the vast majority of nice humans in this planet.The only difference is we do not need clothes to trick into wanting it with someone who when naked wouldn't appeal.
Your words wipe the floor with some of the backward thinking comments on this discussion. Your an absolute star !
It never ceases to amaze me how certain people just can't see what the post was about, but always manage to put their small minded idea of what they think I was trying to say, when I started this discussion. How everything is a part of a whole, not separate as some people seem to try and state.
There is no book of rules to naturism/nudity, no one person has the right to dictate what is right or wrong, if you have a blinkered outlook to anything, you will never see the bigger picture that is staring you in the face !
I agree totally. That is why I felt more comfortable at nudist beaches and resorts in Europe than I do in the US...For all of our "progressive and modern ways" in many things European thinking and attitudes are more accepting.
Guess what?Anger, is a part of us.Violence, is a part of us.Do we allow those things out whenever, just because they're a part of us? Or as civilized people, do we exercise a modicum of self control, and only let it out in the appropriate time and place? These tedious attempts to welcome sexual behavior or displays into the nudist/naturist world are getting boring.
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