I would like to give a big thank you to the following for giving the truth which some are not able to comprehend. Texasbiker, Mrsun57 and NudeInMa and DanandJanette. Lifehappens says he doesn't understand Hooters,it is because Muslems believe that women should be covered up and be treated like a piece of property. Noodle-doode where did you come up with whites and christians, are you saying you have to be white to be a christian. If that is so there are a hell of a lot of people that you say should not be in church. Alwaysnakedman, lets start with flagging you first. Nakednlouisville, everyone has a right a right to say what they want and by your post I would have to say NudeInMa does have a lot higher IQ than you since you are the one that brought it up.The American people are not saying they cannot build it, they are saying please build it somewhere else. By building it there they are letting the Muslems in Europe know they have put up a monument for there victory.
I am perplexed. I have spoken to Muslims (including Imam) and have garnered no such understanding. Just like Christianity and Judaism, Islam has laws that attempt to control what women wear, how they act and state what they are allowed to do. All of these religions when taken to extremes require a woman to be fully covered from head to toe with head coverings when they leave the home. The way that you have described Hooters, it would be offensive to certain sects of Christianity, Judaism and Islam.
Well, I've pretty much said my piece on this. I find it most curious that nudists, of all people, would defend and encourage this most repressive and barbaric religion. Do any of you really believe organized nudism would even exist here if America were an Islamic nation?
If Christianity in its current group-speak and mindset had a choice, nudism would not be present. I am unawares of the stance with Judaism. The abilities granted us are non-religious based -- a societal based constitution.For those posters who openly proclaim they are gay on their profiles, do you really believe you would be able to openly live your lifestyle? You would be buried up to your necks in sand and stoned to death.
Again, if we were to live by religious standards then you are correct. We do not live in a theocracy, though. In places where religion is allowed to govern, you will see that this sort of prejudice and discrimination does occur -- even in the USA.America did not become the great nation she is by opening the back door and letting anything and everything in.
The Statue of Liberty proclaims differently, "Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free...Immigrants were allowed in to become AMERICANS, not transplanted Italians, Irish, Germans etc....but Americans who love America and everything that embodies your country.
This is not so much the case anymore. There is now a quota for people from different nations. It is sad in many ways, but also necessary in others. I can see both sides of the equation and, personally, have been trying to figure out a solution rather than complain about the current status quo. Very difficult and complex issue that is not answered by a simple "Yes." or "No."Islam is diametrically opposed to nearly everything in western culture, and I'm very suspect of any Muslim who wishes to live in the west while proclaiming to be devout to their religion. Oil and water don't mix in either of our countries.
Islam, Judaism, and Christianity all share the Old Testament. All three religions are based on the old testament. "The West" -- which usually focuses on America, but sometimes includes parts of Europe -- cannot be diametrically opposed to Islam, or vice-a-versa. There are too many common principles. Your statement would make a Yin-Yang comparison invalid and would need for there to be opposing and opposite points and counter points in every single subject. There is not. Again, we are taking the militant, and most visible, people within Islam and assuming everyone is the same.
Re the Magic Non-Caucasian's birth (some in this thread believe he was born to a virgin, apparently), observe the date, the headline, and the first paragraph in this piece from a Kenyan newspaper.Explain your way out out of that, those of you who are reduced to chanting "birther" and "racist" because you haven't a clue about what you post. Maybe we "birthers" hitched a ride in the TARDIS back in time and persuaded the Kenyan paper to write a fake story.It's amazing what lengths the subservient Obots, who would crawl five miles over broken glass to kiss Obozo's buttcheeks, will go to in their kneejerk defense of their 1/16th-AC774F idol. Lastly, "lobotomized chicken" was perhaps inappropriate. In retrospect, "lobotomized kumquat" is more accurate, given the vacuity of those who are desperate to ignore the utter disaster being inflicted on America by the faux POTUS. One hopes that your children and grandchildren will forgive you for your destruction of their country if it survives that long.
LOL...NIM, this made me laugh. You are correct, everything written in papers is always the truth.
Your denial is truly psychotic. No amount of proof will break your obomabot trance, attempted rational discourse with you is beyond useless. You are a child trapped in a man's body, a child who refuses to believe the easter bunny isn't real. Why on earth would a Kenyan newspaper deliberately print a lie about Obama SIX YEARS AGO, when he was essentially a nobody. Rather than attempt reasoning with a two year old, I'm off to do something constructive........mowing the lawn. Make sure you keep the crayons inside the lines.
OK, by now everyone has had their say and like most religious/political arguments there is no resolution whichwillsatisfy theopposingparties. I enjoy a spirited discussionas much as anyone else but this has just degenerated into a flame war and I think it is time to pour some water (please no more gasoline) on the flames and get back to the purpose of this site - nudism.
I would like to give a big thank you to the following for giving the truth which some are not able to comprehend. Texasbiker, Mrsun57 and NudeInMa and DanandJanette. Lifehappens says he doesn't understand Hooters,it is because Muslems believe that women should be covered up and be treated like a piece of property. Noodle-doode where did you come up with whites and christians, are you saying you have to be white to be a christian. If that is so there are a hell of a lot of people that you say should not be in church. Alwaysnakedman, lets start with flagging you first. Nakednlouisville, everyone has a right a right to say what they want and by your post I would have to say NudeInMa does have a lot higher IQ than you since you are the one that brought it up. The American people are not saying they cannot build it, they are saying please build it somewhere else. By building it there they are letting the Muslems in Europe know they have put up a monument for there victory.
Well, if you readthe posts and followed along, you would know where it came from. I guess reading isn't your strong suit so you resort to childish name alterations. Perhaps if I make the font bigger or include pictures you would be able to follow along better? Anyone have a burning cross I can post?
Your denial is truly psychotic. No amount of proof will break your obomabot trance, attempted rational discourse with you is beyond useless. You are a child trapped in a man's body, a child who refuses to believe the easter bunny isn't real. Why on earth would a Kenyan newspaper deliberately print a lie about Obama SIX YEARS AGO, when he was essentially a nobody. Rather than attempt reasoning with a two year old, I'm off to do something constructive........mowing the lawn. Make sure you keep the crayons inside the lines.
Sigh...Is he Kenyan or Muslim? It is unlikely that he is both since Kenya is less than 10% Muslim.
You are Canadian and yet you love the USA. Is it so different for any other country? He is of Kenyan heritage, of course they are going to want to claim him as their own. There was hope that he would create greater trade relations with Kenya and Africa in general. Africa was colonized by White Europe. Africans routinely feel under the boot of white Americans and Europeans. This president is a symbol of change.
In addition, one of the requirements to being the president is that you are a "natural born citizen." There are two ways to become a "natural born citizen:" born within the boundaries of the United States of America (proper) or be born to an American parent. According to an April 2000 report by theCongressional Research Service, most constitutional scholars interpret Article II, Section 1 of the Constitution as including citizens born outside the United States to a parent who is a U.S. citizen under the natural born requirement. This same CRSreportalso asserts that citizens born in the District of Columbia, Guam, Puerto Rico, and the U.S. Virgin Islands are legally defined as "natural born" citizens and are, therefore, also eligible to be elected President. I include this last sentence since the listed areas are NOT part of the boundaries of the United States of America (proper).
My owner personal opinions of President Obama's efficacy as president are moot. Regardless of his name and heritage, his mother is American.
OK, by now everyone has had their say and like most religious/political arguments there is no resolution whichwillsatisfy theopposingparties. I enjoy a spirited discussionas much as anyone else but this has just degenerated into a flame war and I think it is time to pour some water (please no more gasoline) on the flames and get back to the purpose of this site - nudism.
I guess that shouting is the only way to do this so here goes:
OK, BY NOW EVERYONE HAS HAD THEIR SAY AND LIKE MOST RELIGIOUS/POLITICAL ARGUMENTSTHEREIS NO RESOLUTIONWHICHWILL SATISFY THE OPPOSING PARTIES. I ENJOY ASPIRITEDDISCUSSION AS MUCH AS ANYONE ELSE BUT THIS HAS JUST DEGENERATED INTO A FLAME WAR AND I THINK IT IS TIME TO POUR SOME WATER (PLEASENO MORE GASOLINE) ON THE FLAMES AND GET BACK TO THE PURPOSE OF THIS SITE - NUDISM.
Can we move on now please?????????????
OK, by now everyone has had their say and like most religious/political arguments there is no resolution whichwillsatisfy theopposingparties. I enjoy a spirited discussionas much as anyone else but this has just degenerated into a flame war and I think it is time to pour some water (please no more gasoline) on the flames and get back to the purpose of this site - nudism.
I guess that shouting is the only way to do this so here goes:
OK, BY NOW EVERYONE HAS HAD THEIR SAY AND LIKE MOST RELIGIOUS/POLITICAL ARGUMENTSTHEREIS NO RESOLUTIONWHICHWILL SATISFY THE OPPOSING PARTIES. I ENJOY ASPIRITEDDISCUSSION AS MUCH AS ANYONE ELSE BUT THIS HAS JUST DEGENERATED INTO A FLAME WAR AND I THINK IT IS TIME TO POUR SOME WATER (PLEASENO MORE GASOLINE) ON THE FLAMES AND GET BACK TO THE PURPOSE OF THIS SITE - NUDISM.
Can we move on now please?????????????
Jack, with all due respect, this thread isn't completely divorced from the subject of nudism. You and I may not live to see it, but if we keep flooding our countries with muslims, organized nudism will someday cease to exist, even possibly become a captial crime. In their homeland they certanly kill for far less. Think I'm being overly dramatic? I don't fear anything more than I fear apathy. Gaining freedoms is half the battle, keeping them is the rest. Someone has to do the speaking up.
Jack, with all due respect, this thread isn't completely divorced from the subject of nudism. You and I may not live to see it, but if we keep flooding our countries with muslims, organized nudism will someday cease to exist, even possibly become a captial crime. In their homeland they certanly kill for far less. Think I'm being overly dramatic? I don't fear anything more than I fear apathy. Gaining freedoms is half the battle, keeping them is the rest. Someone has to do the speaking up.
No I don't think you are being overly dramatic, I agree with most of what you have said and I have said and posted much more as well which I addressseparatelyfromthe TN site. My argument is that this has simply degenerated into a flame war which cannot be won by either side. Personally I fear the loss of much more than nudism which in context becomes rather minor and as for apathy you should see some of my correspondence both sent andreceived - far from apathetic. I justthinkthat this is the wrong venue for this discussion as it is leading nowhere and just escalates to no good purpose.
Jack, with all due respect, this thread isn't completely divorced from the subject of nudism. You and I may not live to see it, but if we keep flooding our countries with muslims, organized nudism will someday cease to exist, even possibly become a captial crime. In their homeland they certanly kill for far less. Think I'm being overly dramatic? I don't fear anything more than I fear apathy. Gaining freedoms is half the battle, keeping them is the rest. Someone has to do the speaking up.
No I don't think you are being overly dramatic, I agree with most of what you have said and I have said and posted much more as well which I addressseparatelyfromthe TN site. My argument is that this has simply degenerated into a flame war which cannot be won by either side. Personally I fear the loss of much more than nudism which in context becomes rather minor and as for apathy you should see some of my correspondence both sent andreceived - far from apathetic. I justthinkthat this is the wrong venue for this discussion as it is leading nowhere and just escalates to no good purpose.
It has degenerated into a flame war because the OP and his followers refuse to acknowledge their ignorance and bigotry. Several questions have been asked yet none have been answered. Dan continues to rant on about Islam and refuses to accept that he may be pointing his finger in the wrong direction. THERE ARE EXTREMISTS AND RADICALS AND PSYCHOPATHS IN EVERY RELIGION. Islam is no different. What those terrorists did on September 11, 2001 has NOTHING to do with Islam. They didn't do it because they were Muslim, they did it for their own agendas. You want to bash somebody? Bash Al Qaeda and I'll join you. Bash those nutcases who do the "honor" killings and I'lljoin you. But once again, "honor" killings have NOTHING to do with Islam. As LifeHappens pointed out above, it is a CULTURAL atrocity, not a RELIGIOUS atrocity. Typically, however, that little fact was completely ignored by Dan and his like thinkers, just like every other fact presented in this thread, just so he can continue to rant on about a subject he knows nothing about.
Al Qaeda is NOT Islam, just like the KKK is NOT Christianity. It is a group of psychotic individuals who hide behind their religion to commit atrocities.
And before Dan or anyone else jumps to more conclusions, I disagree with the concept of a mosque being built near Ground Zero.
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