Until it becomes possible to prevent search engines from findingnude photos, I can't see how we can force anything like that on anybody, including moderators. People here, including confimed nudists, need to know there will be a certain amount of protection in case their "public" lives don't jibe with their "private" lives. It will never be perfect. Screen captures are far too easy to do. But let's at least offer some type of assurances that they will not be sticking their necks out too far just because they're moderators.
Absolutely Gerry, and the nudist philosophy is the freedom,
to wear, or not wear, what YOU choose, when practicable.
Anyone who starts demanding nudity, anywhere,
simply does not "get" the philosophy.
Phil.
I completely agree with Bullet. I'll leave it at that.
I also feel for the fella if he was mistakenly accused. I was accused once when the only thing anyone could see was from my shoulders up. AND I had on shorts. It turned out to be an honest mistake - but if someone flagged me that can't be taken back.
---begin quote-----I've been with this site for more than a year, although I deleted my previous account for a few weeks before giving it one more try. I leftonly because of the lack of control and numerous violations. I'm not sure you're going to get many people saying publicly that they do not support your list of moderators for fear they will be "marked" because of it....not saying it will happen but the possibly certainly exists. You as the owner of the site can do what you want, but you need to keep an open mind if you start getting complaints about some of the moderators' attitude in the room. Where there's smoke, there is usually fire. I have done whatever I could to help keep this site clean as well, and done it hopefully with an attitude that people respect. Some on your list will never win any popularity contests, and that's not a requirement, nor should it be. However, I've witnessed several confrontations in the chat room that could have been handled in a much more low-key manner, in my opinion. Perhaps you (TT) should go into the chat room and ask some of the users their opinion when the nominees are not around. You might get more honesty that way. I personally think you've got a decent and diverse list, but I also know some rub many people the wrong way.There are many other members who would also be great. Let's just hope it works out.
The use of the phrase "rather like cops" makes it clear that some might use the moderator position to become a vigilante in the chat room. I fully support the guidelines of the chat room - but I also value allowing those with different viewpoints to express their views. As is clear, we don't all agree, but we all can chat respectfully and politely.
I cannot speak for everyone, but the ones I know well I think will agree, by accepting the mod position we have an obligation to follow the guidelines. We need to be concerned with the sexual activity on cams and the harrassemant of the ladies when they come in which has made some leave.
Thomas
I just spent an hour in chat with the new mods in place. I think it was the best time I have been in there. Nothing going on that shouldnt have been and everyone getting along. I definately think this is the way to go.
Taking on any job that carries with it 'authority over others' is never easy - from real Police Officer to Moderator - and make no mistake - both roles have a similar underpinning philosophy and, of course, have a 'badge'. One is going to be unpopular with some people sooner or later because most human beings do not like to be 'controlled'.
A lot of the time such jobs are pretty thankless. If things go pear shaped its "why didn't they do something" and if prophylactic action is taken it's "why did they do that?" It's not about swanking around 'polishing a badge' but rather running around furiously bailing out the ship. By taking on 'the badge' ones own behaviour is altered and restricted. It can be very frustrating if one holds strong opinions - simply because one can no longer express them openly whilst wearing the badge - to do so raises the spectre of bias which in turn diminishes the authority of all.
Diplomacy is key along with a balanced outlook that enables one to see both sides of an argument. The British Bobby's job is defined as "A duty to preserve the (Queens) peace and where that peace is broken a duty to detect and apprehend those who have perpetrated the breach and bring them and the facts before the duly appointed authority for judgement."
One can apply this to a website. As a Police Officer is required to uphold the laws of society a Moderator is required to uphold the rules of a site. Both jobs require an ability to excercise sound judgement Neither job requires 'interpretation' or 'expansion' of the written rule. That task is undertaken by others - in the real world it is the Judiciary, on a website it is the Website Owner. TT1 is the authority here - the Moderators act only on his authority.
Sound and practical laws make for a better society - sound and practical rules make for a better web community.
To those who have expressed concerns regarding Moderators I say this. Good moderation can only benefit this site. Give them a chance to prove they have what it takes - yes mistakes will happen because they are only human and apologies should be accepted with good grace.
Should a rogue Moderator appear then keep a record of their behaviour and flag the Moderator for it - just like any other person. Moderator status is not a 'concrete bunker' nor a licence to oppress and I am hopeful that TT1 will not deal with a betrayal of his trust lightly.
Quis Custodiet Ipsos Custodes.
Love n stuff
Rudie. x
Jackie, I saw it going on and at first thought you didnt realize what was happening but then realized you were ignoring him. You handled it better than I would have. Hopefully this will send a message to the ones who insist on breaking the rules.
Well what started out as a delightful day in chat certainly went downhill very quickly when I was subjected to a a good hours worth of abuse by a certain member, who I will refrain from naming. Not once did I respond to his vitriolic attack, I sat back and took it on the chin.....BUT....eventually I banned him for 24 hours, I am hoping that by then he will have cooled down enough to act and behave like a responsable adult. I have sent a copy of his attack on me to TT1He now has the following posted below his profile name:jACKIE IN oZ sHOULD BE VBOTED OUT ..
Very well done Jackie. You have illustrated precisely the best qualities of moderation that I wrote of in my previous post on this thread.
The 'badge' (or uniform) is often perceived as a 'target' for those of a 'dissaffected' personality - the person wearing it becomes the focus for all the unresolved anger and resentment stored within the one who is so 'dissaffected'.
Most often this anger and resentment has nothing to do with the immediate situation but is a build up of issues from other sources - thus it is a case of 'transference'. The dissaffected person feels impotent to directly address the cause of their issues so seeks to alliviate their frustration by inappropriately directing their vitriol at a target that they perceive as having no way of negatively affecting their real life - a 'maladapted coping stratagy' if you will - without real consequnces.
Such behaviour is often considered to be the mark of bullies,internet trolls, aggressively argumentative people, social inadequates, fanatics and indicative of certain other criminogenic activities.
Kick and temporary ban is a most measured response and a most laudable decision.
As for your 'aside' (and I do not know if this would work on TN but does work in other groups) it may be possible to view both chatrooms by simply creating a second identity (such as Jackie2) then using two browsers (such as Internet Explorer for one and Firefox for the second) and logging into TN using both with a different ID on each. This may allow you to have two chat room windows open simultaniously.
Love n stuff
Rudie x
Hi all.. as I sit here and read all that has been said and responses to my posts.. the one thing that is missing and is sad is the LACK of communication to members of TN as to what is happening after the completion of nominees
this has been the process I have seen thus far and was happy with the communication regarding these.....
1. We were asked to nominate or nominate people who we thought would make good moderators..
2. Next we saw a possible list of who were being considered
3, We were told that "things/strategies" were being put in place over the weekend for this to proceed
Now.. this is where the communication fell off ..
next we go into chat and there are the moderators.. already in room!!
No communication to the members at large it was now fait accompli
No explanation /post of the Boundaries the moderators work within..
is this fair to not only moderators however also the members .. it does not make for a happy community if there is LACK of upfront communication and it causes disharmony within all .. this happens for all people not just chatters..
I support the strategies however PLEASE give us updated to the steps being taken...
Cheers yours in nudism
About 3 days ago, someone who is not named on the list said he had been made a moderator. He displayed a very bad attitude in the chat that day, threatening to ban a couple of people from the site for speaking their mind. Since he is not on the list, he probably was just saying he had been named moderator when in fact, he had not been. So to avoid such confusion, I agree with some of the others that the moderators should have a designation to verify their position, such as suggested to have their name end with "mod".
Moderater's names show at the top of the room list in red. They are clearly designated.
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