FreeLee - I think your points are valid and I genuinely appreciate your contribution to the site, but let me give one persons view from the other side of the question:It would be one thing if this were just another soft-porn sex site that had a small corner where nudists (you know who you are) could congregate and socialize online. The sex talk and dick pics would just be so much background noise.But this site holds itself out specially as a nudist website (certification, moderators and all that) where, one would think, the sex talk and dick pics would just as unwelcome as at any other nudist event. The constant intrusion of that material chases away more people than you might think and prevents the rest of us from enjoying the site more.So, in part it is a question of expectations. In my experience, nudists are the last people who want to make rules for others, impose ideological purity tests, or engage in sex or body-shaming. At the same time, it is tiresome to read yet another post that seems to start out as a nudist issue (e.g. body-image) but quickly turns into the writers masturbation fantasy.And the excuses (I have too much to lose by showing my face, so let me show you my penis instead) are just ridiculous. As a man, I have spent my share of time in locker rooms and heard my share of locker room talk. Still, I find it very creepy when someone compliments me (quote, unquote) in a nudist setting. For women, as one of the recent posters here has pointed out, it is not just creepy, but downright hostile. That kind of behavior isolates us, makes us wary of newcomers, and eventually drives us away.Bottom line: when nudists push back against the sex and body part talk, we are just trying to keep others from littering on our part of the online beach. Sure, we dont own the site and we cant actually prevent anyone from behaving badly. Maybe the whole idea of a nudist website is misconceived. But when we do object, it is with reason and our views are also entitled to respect.
Very well stated as many posts in this thread. Thank you.
Em1dub, youll be please to know Lee and I are still friendly despite or different opinions.
Ive a question for you, I hope youll take some time to consider answering honestly.
As a fellow naturist, describe how you sit on a toilet?
*****please dont answer that, Ive absolutely no interest in knowing ****
Thats the kind of question I find moronic and if not perverse, then quite disturbing.
Lee I like you, but you dont half go on some times.I belong to other specialist interest site. One is for video gaming.Everyone on it is a video gamer, we all have that in common.In over 15 years no one has seen the need to ask.... is it ok to pee in the sink.No one has ever mentioned getting an erection while playing Tomb Raider.Minecraft players never mention if they like to wear a cock ring or not.And its the same for all the other complete nonsense that the morons here ask.Is it really the case....We dont wear clothes here so lets discus kinky stuff.... is this what you want associated with what its like to be a naturist?We are all adults. But we dont all behave like it.
I am personally thrilled to hear about your gaming experience with no sexual harassment or rabid misogyny ( and forgive me I am not privy to the moderation and membership process and protocols of your other group) but I can assure you that it's far far far from the norm in gaming culture and online gaming discourse in particular. You don't want to see or hear any of it as it is often the foulest stuff imaginable.
I'm definitely curious though if this group is a small group of friends a well moderated forum or something else? It's maybe a template for positive
change. The site here isn't moderated heavily or consistently and I understand that is resource based and is consistent as long as I've been a member. Rather than these endless squabbles (with no prejudice) is it not possible for us to request better compartmentalization and naturist content leading with the (seemingly) endless but what about boners threads going in the sex section and repeat topics archiving in one thread? Or is this the format nevermore? I realize you don't have the site's answer but you might have some input or insight. Mobilizing the moderate voices to start directing discussions of bodies functions and the s word act to the one area designated for it and putting the rants and frustrations as well as naturist philosophy on these issues in their own threads takes out the delicious conflict that (ok I am guilty as charged) makes these things blow up and in the mid to longer term ends up with less content that is not naturist focused over the site broadly and a better understanding of what belongs where.
I know the s section is not naturist nor liked by some of the members but the carrying on in it just eggs many on to not care about their conduct site wide. Human nature is such that it is not reasonable to expect folks who are directed to only talk about the s word in a special section who then get harried for it there endlessly to care about the rules of expected conduct elsewhere. Is it possible to get people to care more and as a result self moderate? Pretty sure it is but some truces might be in order.
I too am a public figure. I am an elected official and cannot risk showing my face due to the societal perception of nudity. I hope someday, America will be more open and accepting of social nudity, and not always link it mistakenly with sexual acts or perversity.
It looks like you took some time to think things through Wolf.
Its a bit long winded, I have a much shorter list.
1.) People who practice social nudity on a beach, resort or club already
know how to behave and what is appropriate. They dont need a list.
2.) People who have never experienced social nudity already know how to behave in an appropriate way.
3.) Some people dont want or know how to act appropriated so they join a website like this.
4.) people act in a moronic way by not knowing how they behave is not appropriate. If you have a sexual question, or about bodily functions take them to a website set up for that. This one isnt.
5.) Who are the people who decide what is appropriate..... your society. Youre still part of it, in or out of underpants.
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