Since I do not read the myths of Genesis through a Christian filter, I doubt we will ever agree on the meaning of the symbolism. But it is interesting to hear from nudists how these verses can be interpreted and related to modern life. That nudism can be a spiritual experience I have no doubt. For believer and skeptic alike, seeking innocence through nakedness is a common pursuit.
We can of course draw many conclusions as to what nakedness symbolizes. But from a narrowly focused (myopic?) reading of the text, both man and God seem most concerned that nakedness not continue.
It's my opinion, and the argument I've presented many times, that their "nakedness" meant that God could see what was in their hearts. Their new-found knowledge of good and evil, previously absent and "hidden" from them, was now "naked" and discovered. They attempted to cover this nakedness, not necessarily their human bodies. Further, I maintain that this has been misinterpreted by conventional application of "modern" narrow definitions to the words, which even today can be argued is not what they mean in this context.
Though I have no personal objection to this presented here, it does seem that one of the theological groups might be more appropriate, as some may take offense.
I'm told I most resemble my father in both appearance and humor.
RnB and Curt:
Unfortunately, if the discussion takes place on a group page, it's unlikely that people from both sides of the fence will see it and have a chance to comment. If it's in the atheist group, no believers will see it, and vice versa for the Christian group. And since the original post, which dates to two years ago, was posted in this forum, it seemed reasonable for me to start here too.
I for one have not read anything offensive in the posts so far. Believers belive, atheists don't. Those facts don't preclude discussion.
The OP has a group for christians, and this preaching does not belong of the forums.
I'm not taking a fence, but I feel like taking the whole bloody lot, gate an all!
I can see your point bicycle, but it really pisses me off to keep seeing this here.
"Believe it, ............. or not?"
But in any event, I thought we had an unwritten rule of no Politics or Religion on the main forum, THAT is what the special interest groups are for. If everyone selfishly used this forum to preach their own beliefs, there would simply be no room left for anything else. I'm quite sure it is no accident that TT, chose not to dedicate a forum here for this controversial subject.
So please, let this thread die again, and take you debate to the appropriate place.
Oh, ..... and I look like Jesus, ....... but I can assure you,
that is purely a coincidence!
I gotta agree with bicycle nude on this. It's an interesting debate and question. I thought the thread started by Liloandstitch was interesting as well, until it degenerated. Thank you bicycle, for bringing your question to a thread that already exists instead of creating a new one. It's interesting, to me anyway, to read something other than threads about erections, the unfair treatment of single males, the complaints of women being bomarded by single male friend requests and arguments over whether sexual discussions, groups, etc belong on a site who's rules state that they don't - there's about a dozen threads for each one of those subjects. At least this is different. This thread is specifically about how religion and the interpretation of a holy book supports or doesn't support nudism. The thread is about religion and how it pertains to nudism, not about foisting one's beliefs or ideals onto another or how one belief system is better than another.
Phil and Rabbit - you know I love you guys, you are two of the best - but, if you don't like the thread don't read it and if you have nothing to contribute other than deciding it doesn't belong here, then don't post to it and bounce it back to the top.
Jen
Phil and Rabbit - you know I love you guys, you are two of the best - but, if you don't like the thread don't read it and if you have nothing to contribute other than deciding it doesn't belong here, then don't post to it and bounce it back to the top. Jen
Jen, isn't that what wankers say in the chat room, if you don't like it, don't look at the cam?
The first post in this thread, is preaching. It's not the opening of a debate or a real question. It should rightly be on his group, not in the faces of those who DO take offense to it. Religion and Politics are two things that should never be in any website forum not dedicated to those subjects.
Thanks Rabbit, I nearly missed this, you are of course, absolutely right.
Jen, breaks my heart but, I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree on this one!
Indeed there are two groups for Christians. There is Christian Naturists that VicJane created, and there is Christian Nudists. Christian Naturists has the bigger membership. I am a member of both groups. However the two groups are somewhat inactive, in that weeks may go by without any new posting.
However I agree with Jen and Bicycle, that this is an interesting topic. It is unfortunate that the first post comes across as preaching, but Vicjane sincerely loves The Lord. I too love you both, Phil and Rabbit. Let's agree to disagree.
There is no doubt in my mind that there is a higher power. I have seen so much evidence of this. I have at times felt very near The Lord when nude. Take a deep breath and feel God's air in your lungs. At Gunnison Beach, there is the ocean that goes far, far, far beyond the horizon, and I praise God for that creation. I feel awesome at that I fit into that creation. I thank God for my body.
I don't insist that anybody belong to my religion. All of you are entitled to your opinion.
So be it. I understand the importance of leaving plenty of space in the forum for the debate about what to do with an erection. Clearly that topic warrants page after page.
Many a true word spoken in jest, ............ and sarcasm!
Given the shear number of guys, that have considerable difficulty in grasping
an understanding of the need to be discreet, not to mention a welcome flow
of nebies, looking for an education in this fine lifestyle, tiresome as it may be
to the seasoned members here,
YES, ....... I would say, ..... it IS important.
Rabbit, You can't compare wanking in the chat room (which is against the stated rules) to a debate on whether or not the bible says social nudity is acceptable (which is NOT against any stated rules). Well, okay, I guess you can since you just did but it's nonsensical IMHO. Vic and Pip were practically the first people to post on this forum and while I don't particularly care for their "preachiness" it's still an interesting topic to some. That one single post has sat there for almost two years. And an atheist brought it up because he had a curiosity. He didn't start an entirely new thread. The forum is not being flooded with religious zealousy. When you bring it down to it's
basics it's a debate about the interpretation of a book, for crying out loud.
Phil, back to the Liloandstitch thread - the one where a newbie to nudism had a question and concern about reconciling their religion to a newly chosen lifestyle and came to the forum for informatin from people of ALL religions and beliefs - how is that ANY different than the newbie who comes to the forum and has questions and concerns about an erection? Why is one acceptable and the other is not? Why is an erection important but a reconciliation with one's faith and beliefs unimportant?
Come on guys - just because it's a subject that you have no interest in, doesn't mean that others don't. I could just about scream if I see another thread about erections - but I don't. And I don't criticize any one for asking the question or having the concern.
The discussion is about a book in the old testament - Is there anyone out there who is Jewish, who would like to weigh in on this?
Jackie, you were practically a "bride" what's your opinion on this?
I still love you both
Jen
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