I want to bring in an idea from Marc-Alain Descamps: He said if somebody is naked in front of people with clothing on he is subconsciously an exihibtionist. If all are naked there would be a subconscious neutralization and it would be nudism.
Yes on the first hand it's the intent. I totally agree on point 2. We are nudists or even naturists and we try to have a situation as non sexual as possible. So exhibitionism or voyeurism is not allowed. But there is our subconscious and this is something we should be aware of.
Marcus wrote:I want to bring in an idea from Marc-Alain Descamps: He said if somebody is naked in front of people with clothing on he is subconsciously an exihibtionist. If all are naked there would be a subconscious neutralization and it would be nudism.
So if I'm on a hike by myself, minding my own business and being nude, and three clothed people walk by and see me, do I automatically become an exhibitionist? Am I an exhibitionist simply because I started the hike with the understanding that I might expect to encounter a clothed hiker now and then?
I will freely grant you that there are nudists who are exhibitionists. There are nudists who are Catholics. There are nudists who are Libertarian. As long as they respect boundaries, I don't care what goes on in their minds.
So if I'm on a hike by myself, minding my own business and being nude, and three clothed people walk by and see me, do I automatically become an exhibitionist? Am I an exhibitionist simply because I started the hike with the understanding that I might expect to encounter a clothed hiker now and then?
My point is if you are hiking in the nude and three textiles walk by (accidently, it was not your intent) and see you it feels subconsciously that you are an exhibitionist and they are voyeurists, they feel it you feel it.
Why is the thread almost totally obsessed with the definition of exhibitionism as being sexually related? In many dictionaries it isnt even mentioned, the common definition is along the lines of people who like drawing attention to themselves, making an exhibit of themselves, seeking attention etc.
I have a couple of textile friends who are total exhibitionists, flamboyant and live for being the centre of attention. They would be horrified if it was suggested there was a sexual motivation behind their behaviour? Why couldnt a naturist have a similar personality, enjoy/seek the attention in the same way a textile exhibitionist does but not be doing it for sexual reasons.
Why is the thread almost totally obsessed with the definition of exhibitionism as being sexually related? In many dictionaries it isnt even mentioned, the common definition is along the lines of people who like drawing attention to themselves, making an exhibit of themselves, seeking attention etc.I have a couple of textile friends who are total exhibitionists, flamboyant and live for being the centre of attention. They would be horrified if it was suggested there was a sexual motivation behind their behaviour? Why couldnt a naturist have a similar personality, enjoy/seek the attention in the same way a textile exhibitionist does but not be doing it for sexual reasons.
That's right, I agree. I have the feeling we are using here the definition of Wikipedia.
I have the greatest respect for the OED, and would resort to it without hesitation if I were writing an academic paper on the subject. But language has a way of slipping past the dictionary definitions, and I think that "exhibitionism" is one of those words that have taken on auxiliary meanings in everyday speech.
In common usage, an "exhibitionist" is often equated with "show-off"... a person who goes out of their way to attract attention through their clothes, an athletic stunt, or some other form of making themselves distinct from the crowd. The element of surprise is not necessarily there, nor is there a sexual component, in the sense that a person has to have that element in order to be stimulated sexually (which is the "clinical" definition of the term as psychiatrists and psychologists use it).
It really doesn't make any difference to the subject of the discussion, though. The question is whether nudism and exhibitionism, however you define it, are mutually exclusive, or whether they can exist as motivations at the same time. I'll argue the latter, on the grounds that exhibitionism -- the motivation that goes on inside one's head -- is essentially a private affair as long as the exhibitor doesn't manifest any outward signs of it by going out of their way to flaunt their nudity, whereas social nudism is obviously a public affair by definition. (I say "social nudism" because being nude in private doesn't even matter, unless one spends much of their private time admiring themselves in the mirror.)
I have the greatest respect for the OED, and would resort to it without hesitation if I were writing an academic paper on the subject. But language has a way of slipping past the dictionary definitions, and I think that "exhibitionism" is one of those words that have taken on auxiliary meanings in everyday speech.In common usage, an "exhibitionist" is often equated with "show-off"... a person who goes out of their way to attract attention through their clothes, an athletic stunt, or some other form of making themselves distinct from the crowd. The element of surprise is not necessarily there, nor is there a sexual component, in the sense that a person has to have that element in order to be stimulated sexually (which is the "clinical" definition of the term as psychiatrists and psychologists use it).It really doesn't make any difference to the subject of the discussion, though. The question is whether nudism and exhibitionism, however you define it, are mutually exclusive, or whether they can exist as motivations at the same time. I'll argue the latter, on the grounds that exhibitionism -- the motivation that goes on inside one's head -- is essentially a private affair as long as the exhibitor doesn't manifest any outward signs of it by going out of their way to flaunt their nudity, whereas social nudism is obviously a public affair by definition. (I say "social nudism" because being nude in private doesn't even matter, unless one spends much of their private time admiring themselves in the mirror.)
Very well put.
BigDudeMan wrote:What people are forgetting when they call themselves Nudist/exhibitionists is that they are creating Nudist/victims of sexual harassment.Where will there be a safe place to just be a nudist then?
Where you aren't being a dick.
I'm serious. If your definition of exhibitionism is surprising people and showing them your naked body without their consent, then you're creating victims of sexual harassment. If you enjoy being nude and being seen in public in an area like a nude beach or a nudist resort, where there is no element of surprise, and where nudity is the norm rather than the exception, then there's no reason why you can't get pleasure out of it, even a sexual one, as long as you're not going around parading your boner in front of people. If you can't understand the difference, maybe the nude scene is not for you, because you're bound to get into trouble sooner or later.
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