Yes, I was kicked out because I objected to them being there
Peacemale, to protect each members privacy, the moderators have a policy of not discussing why any one has been kicked out of chat, other than the affected member, another mod or the site owner. This has been explained to you EVERY time you have questioned a mod as to why a particular member was kicked. As you have seen fit to make your kick a public issue, I will respond to you in kind.
You were not kicked out because you objected to them being there, you were kicked out after you continued to argue in a pm with a mod (snugglebunny) after you were asked to stop arguing and given a warning about trolling.- apparantly you are not allowed to reference the super-users in the chat as it impededs the flow of what is otherwise thought to be engaging conversation.
You can reference mods all you want. That is not what you were doing. You were on a tirade, making antagonistic statements designed to illicit an argument, which interrupted the flow of chat. Question us (the mods) all you want. Many do with the intent to have intelligent conversation and we all learn from each other that way. But making snide, derogatory, insulting or inflammatory statements about any member whether they are a mod or not is not conversation, it is trolling.I was given a first and "final warning" and was kicked out after telling the moderator to please refrain from threatening me as it wasnt very nice.
This was NOT your first warning. Approx. 7 months ago, in open chat, you repeatedly asked me (Jen) why I had kicked someone out, even after I explained to you that to protect their privacy I would not discuss with you why someone is kicked. I warned you then to stop trolling, several times, before you left the room of your own volition. Several months ago you argued with me (Jen) for 20 minutes (from 8:19am to 8:39am) regarding a rule you disagreed with. After patiently explaining to you over and over again that I did not make the rules, I asked you and warned you repeatedly to contact the site owner if you had any issues with any of the chat rules and to stop hassling me over a rule I did not make and could not change. I can guarantee that the last time you ran into Tx, he warned you at least once, to stop trolling. Last night, in open chat, you made inflammatory, argumentative and insulting remarks (trolling) in response to a mod (Snugglebunny my husband this time) kicking someone out of chat. When he pmd you to find out what your issue was, you continued to make insulting and derogatory remarks. You were not threatened, you were politely warned: Please stop arguing with me about this, this is your final warning
He gave you a final warning to stop, which you chose to ignore. When you continued to troll, he kicked you out. Over a 6-7 month period you have received one warning after another, after another. This was NOT your first warning. If you feel you were kicked out of chat unfairly, you can send an email to abuse@truenudists.com. We will gladly provide the full chat history and documentation of every run in weve had with you to the site owner.Look, I dont deny that there are "perverts" out there, but do object to the use of the term. For example, most of the people I know would deem anyone logged into this site as a "pervert", so we ought to be a little more sensitive when throwing that term around. But I digress. I get back to my initial point - this site is equipped with tools to remedy disruptive behavior, we cant have the hyper-sensitivities (and inability to self remedy) of a few members dictate the need for a regulatory body, unless of course you wish to promote a community that perpetuates conventional societal "norms" , the very norms we challenge, and of which lead us here in the first place.
We do not challenge societal norms, other than the norm of wearing clothing. This is a social nudist site where socially accepted mores and tenets are expected. These expectations are set by the owner of this site. Moderators were implemented because the site owner deemed it necessary for his chat room to be maintained the way he wanted it to be. He deemed it necessary because of all the complaints received regarding members who were incapable or unwilling to follow the 6 simple rules he asks EVERYONE to agree to before entering the chat room. If you doubt where the site owner stands on this issue please see, among many others:
His profile - note his interests
3000 Users his blog
This forum thread approved by the site owner
This forum thread written by the site owner
Jen
I just wonder why you felt the need to argue with the guy for 20 minutes?. A person acts as you say he was acting there is no need to even respond to after the warning . I personally would have ignored the nonsense after the warning and see what his reaction would have been.. If he was still offensive after the warning then a swift boot without any explanation further. He knew why you booted him. Why allow that to continue for 20 minutes? I think you are part of what kept him going for 20 minutes. The behavior he displayed.. if it was as you say was that of a child. There is no benefit to arguing with a child for 20 minutes as to the discipline you gave.
This is a prime example of the need for training of the moderators here. For a moderator to argue with a customer to the site for 20 minutes seems to be the kind of reaction I am talking about the moderators display here. Like there is a need to autonomous rule and you WILL obey or pay the consequences. If someone came into your retail store would you stand there and argue with them for 20 minutes?.
Can I say I commend any mod who is willing to spend "20mins" of their free time to try and argue the point of true nudism.
And my "20 mins" reading here and writting this would probably have been better spent in chat with friends rather than here trying to educate 'some' others on why Chat Room Mods are Really necessary.
Lastly I agree there is a sore need for training here and that way we will not need the Mods!
Jen - I know you wouldnt want to do this, but feel free to print the
exchange in which, according to your husband I was making "inflammatory,
argumentative and insulting remarks". My recollection (and admittedely
it was late), was that I made a comment about yet another person being
kicked out.. and then toungue firmly in cheek, I asked wheteher someone
else in the room could be kicked out for repeatedly posting count styled
numbers .. ala , 1, 2, 3 - etc. Your husband then PM'd me saying that I
have been told in the past to in effect cut it out, and that it was my
final warning. I responded exactly as I said i did, "please dont
threaten me, its not very nice". And then, POOF.
As for the
other posters who have suggested that if I dont like it here then "I can
leave", I cant think of a more narrowed response to my inquiry. Shame
on you. This forum exists for a reason, and if you dont like the fact
that I have used this forum to pose this inquiry, then perhaps YOU can
leave.
The irony in all of this is that I am a relatively passive
and conservative individual. I was drawn to this site as it represented
what I thought was a harmonious community of like-minded individulas. I
even selected a screen name that I thought would capture my optimism
and general outlook. What I have found is that human nature is in effect
human nature. That there are folks on here that are just plain
judgemental, intolerant, and at times mean-spirited. Jen I am not
referring to you or your husband, I dont actually have any beef to pick
with either of you , or any of the mods. It is not the individual mods i
object to, but rather the notion of instituting a process of
enforcement which may have the unintended consequences of alienating, or
worse yet, excluding, what would otherwise be productive members of
this community.
Like me, for example.
I just wonder why you felt the need to argue with the guy for 20 minutes?. A person acts as you say he was acting there is no need to even respond to after the warning . I personally would have ignored the nonsense after the warning and see what his reaction would have been.. If he was still offensive after the warning then a swift boot without any explanation further. He knew why you booted him. Why allow that to continue for 20 minutes? I think you are part of what kept him going for 20 minutes. The behavior he displayed.. if it was as you say was that of a child. There is no benefit to arguing with a child for 20 minutes as to the discipline you gave. This is a prime example of the need for training of the moderators here. For a moderator to argue with a customer to the site for 20 minutes seems to be the kind of reaction I am talking about the moderators display here. Like there is a need to autonomous rule and you WILL obey or pay the consequences. If someone came into your retail store would you stand there and argue with them for 20 minutes?.
Petey, unless it's a serious violation (sexual activity on cam, harassment, threats) all the mods try to answer all questions as patiently as possible. Often times (as was the case that day) we are dealing with multiple pm's dealing with various issues - from answering questions about how the chat room works, giving technical advice, fielding complaints about other members, asking people to comply with chat rules, issuing warnings, etc. Along with this we are keeping an eye on the room chat flow, checking cams and bouncing between two rooms. How could it go on for 20 minutes? Easy, his pm was not the only one I was dealing with. Why didn't I just boot him to begin with? Because, unless there is a serious violation, or a constant repetition of a minor violation mods do NOTwant to boot people. And he wasn't booted in that instance. He was given warnings to stop trolling. Why didn't I feel it warranted a boot? Because it wasn't interrupting the flow of chat, it was being dealt with in a private pm. His actually boot occured after the fourth instance (that I know of) of being warned by mods. And his response to that was to start this thread.
To answer your question in regards to a retail store, yes, I would have done EXACTLY the same thing - explain the store policies, patiently listen to the complaints of the patron,offer a solution,direct them to the person in chargeif I could not satisy them and finally, when all else fails, direct them to a store that might better suit there needs. And the chances are good, especially ifI had other customers I was dealing with, that this exchange would also take about 20 minutes.
I am having a difficult time understanding you. On one post you complain that the mods are over zealous, that you experienced an accidental kick from an "over zealous" mod. That even though the mod admitted that a mistake had been made and apologized that you were still angry. As a mod, I can tell you that "quick to hit the button" is not an indication of an over zealous mod - it is a reference to the way the room list will "jump" when someone enters or leaves the room. There are instances when a mod is in the process of kicking someone out and the room list jumps to the next name. This is a rare occurance, but it does happen. As it sounds it did to you.
Now, when an example is being shown of the patience of mods NOT being quick to kick someone, NOT being over zealous you are suggesting that they should have been quicker on the boot?
You also mentioned on a previous post that you are a "customer here" and that youdon't "feel as if you had been served properly". No youare not a "customer". A customer is one who purchases goods or services from another. You are a nonpaying member of a social website that offers a FREE chat room to all members.
Hopethis helps to clarifycertain issuesfor you and give you a better understanding ofwhatthe(volunteer) chat room mods do on a daily basis to help make this a better site!
Jen
Good point Jen ! Petey all you have to do to achieve "paying customer" status is commit $45 (US) using a B-rated credit card processing company (no one has actually ever heard of) , and vioala ! .. The right to be treated as a paying member.
Another great post Jen. I also try to politely explain things. It is very true that it can get hectic at times. I have had things occur that I almost missed due to high activity in room and in PMs. We are human after all.
Thomas
Jen, 20 minutes of PM exchanges to try and reason with someone being unreasonable is far and away beyond my own personal capabilities. And that's meant only as a compliment. You're infinitly more patient than am I.
Tx, after reading your many posts in multiple threads, and in the few times I've been in chat, I sincerely regret we don't live close enough to meet in person. You sound like someone of true quality of character. In fact, I'm sure my wife and I would also love to be able to meet Jen and Steve in person as well.......they sound like so many other wonderful couples we've met in various nudist camps in the past. When you see reasonable debate and discourse come shining through in writing, you know there is a quality person on the other end. This isn't meant to be condescending in any way, but such interactions encourage me to be a better person. Hope you all have a great Easter Sunday.
The answer is simple... YES they all do an excellent job to keep the Creeps and Stalkers abay!!!!!! GOOD JOB MODS, Keep up the good work. I have noticed that if you FOLLOW THE RULES posted for the chat room.. you won't even notice the MODS are there except for their normal conversations.
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