Best wishes to everyone from Italy. I am writing this post, a little off topic with respect to the group's intentions to bring to your knowledge the very serious events that have been happening in Italy for a couple of years now. I know that something similar is happening almost everywhere in the world but here in Italy it is taking place in a particularly strong way and with a very strong censorship of anything that says something different to the voice of the government. Huge discrimination is carried out against people who are not vaccinated (or vaccinated with only one or two doses) effectively preventing them from working, making non-essential food purchases, asking for documents such as passports, accessing banks, attending bars, restaurants , public meetings. In fact, only strictly essential food items, medicines and very little else are allowed. Any treatment other than the vaccine is prohibited or otherwise hindered. The doctors who oppose are disbarred from the professional register and placed on condition not to work. Doctors who publicly talked about alternative treatments were killed. Nothing that really happens in Italy is communicated abroad and a climate of growing hatred towards unvaccinated people is constantly fed, the newspapers can only publish what the government has said. I myself am seriously at risk of losing my job within a few days and reduced to extremely precarious conditions. I am writing this so that we know that Italy is under a dictatorial regime, and the saddest thing is the blind resignation and the total absence of reason of the majority of the population. I think it is right that this situation be brought to the attention of those who, living outside Italy, do not know the real situation we are experiencing. Thanks for the attention.
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- DO
Jan 21, 2022[quote][quote][/quote][/quote][quote]Best wishes to everyone from Italy. I am writing this post, a little off topic with respect to the group's intentions to bring to your knowledge the very serious events that have been happening in Italy for a couple of years now. I know that something similar is happening almost everywhere in the world but here in Italy it is taking place in a particularly strong way and with a very strong censorship of anything that says something different to the voice of the government. Huge discrimination is carried out against people who are not vaccinated (or vaccinated with only one or two doses) effectively preventing them from working, making non-essential food purchases, asking for documents such as passports, accessing banks, attending bars, restaurants , public meetings. In fact, only strictly essential food items, medicines and very little else are allowed. Any treatment other than the vaccine is prohibited or otherwise hindered. The doctors who oppose are disbarred from the professional register and placed on condition not to work. Doctors who publicly talked about alternative treatments were killed. Nothing that really happens in Italy is communicated abroad and a climate of growing hatred towards unvaccinated people is constantly fed, the newspapers can only publish what the government has said. I myself am seriously at risk of losing my job within a few days and reduced to extremely precarious conditions. I am writing this so that we know that Italy is under a dictatorial regime, and the saddest thing is the blind resignation and the total absence of reason of the majority of the population. I think it is right that this situation be brought to the attention of those who, living outside Italy, do not know the real situation we are experiencing. Thanks for the attention. My hopes and prayers are with you over in Italy. This is a good place to post about this as other media sites are being censored to keep the truth from coming out and the mainstream media is not reporting the truth at all but just what they are told to say. What you posted above is happening in many other countries as well. Here in Canada we are heading down that same road. I'm 62 and have lived my life in a very good and free country but now am protesting the evil regime that is slowly taking away our rights and freedoms. I can't go to a restaurant, sports event, bar, theater etc as I am unvaccinated. In the province of Quebec you have to be vaccinated to go to church and they also have a curfew at night. In Ontario there is restricted numbers allowed in churches and masks are mandatory and some churches are enforcing the vaccine mandate. Some are not complying and we have seen some pastors fined and some arrested. We also have doctors, nurses and front line workers losing their jobs for speaking out. It would be good if many of us around the world can get connected through this post and then connect through email. Like everyone else out there, I just want to live a good and free life and would like to do it naked if ever possible but that's another issue. For now we just need to stand up for everyones rights and freedoms around the world. Read this quote years ago "Evil will only prosper when good men do nothing" The fist step is make the connection with others around the world. Doug1959ReactReply - NAnaked-man62Original PosterJan 21, 2022
Thanks for your message and your friendship. I think it is essential in this sad moment to keep in touch with each other and exchange information and proposals. A warm greeting.
ReactReply - SU
Feb 12, 2022Looking from afar, Italy has for a long time seemed to have an uneasy relationship with various freedoms, and I understand your frustrations with the restrictions as you describe them.
As an Australian I'm seeing similar restrictions here which is in many ways inconsistent with our historical image of being 'young and free' as our national anthem said*. We have a large community of people with Italian heritage whose forebears took the chance to move to a foreign land to share in the opportunities it offered. Whether that freedom was real or just precieved in the past, it appears largely gone for now as state premiers persist in applying restrictions with draconian penalties while the federal leadership facilitates rather than opposing it. I know of people relocating out of our country as a result of the last few years, or at least interstate for a slight improvement.
Hopefully elections will allow us to reorientate this year, but I am not confident.
* 'Young and free' was recently changed to 'one and free' in our national anthem. Right now, we are definitely not as 'one'.ReactReply - NAnaked-man62Original PosterFeb 12, 2022
Thanks for the message. I know Australia is also having a hard time. Here in Italy I painfully observed a widespread passivity in the majority of people who uncritically accept any government measure. I hope that what is happening in Canada and neighboring France can move people to regain dignity and freedom. And that this happens not only here but everywhere.
ReactReply - NAnaked-man62Original PosterFeb 12, 2022
Thanks for the message. I know Australia is also having a hard time. Here in Italy I painfully observed a widespread passivity in the majority of people who uncritically accept any government measure. I hope that what is happening in Canada and neighboring France can move people to regain dignity and freedom. And that this happens not only here but everywhere.
ReactReply - SUFeb 13, 2022Just now, if thought I'd check in what our media are saying. There's a big protest in our national capital Canberra (it's like a scaled-down version of Washington DC, but even more isolated from major populations) and the photos show huge crowds filling the plaza between the old Parliament House and the massive new one.
The first article I found studiously ignores the message of the protest and instead concentrates on the fact that protesters are holding their national flags upside down as a symbol of distress, when that use is not in agreement with our national flag protocol!
(I guess the use of an upside down flag to show distress is not a common use as it just does not work for every flag. An Italian will surely understand! :-) )
Edit: a picture: [url][link]https://www.truenudists.com/link/ac1133dd3e8f1c58/aHR0cHM6Ly9tb2JpbGUudHdpdHRlci5jb20vRGFlbmVyeXM4ODg4L3N0YXR1cy8xNDkyNDM2Njk4MzQwMzQ3OTA1P2N4dD1ISHdXZ3NDcTVhTFJtYllwQUFBQQ%3D%3D[/link]Canberra protesters[/url]ReactReply - NAnaked-man62Original PosterFeb 13, 2022
In Italy there is no such meaning for the inverted flag, but I am glad that people are waking up. I hope something happens here in Italy too ...
ReactReply - SO
Feb 19, 2022Non credo che in Italia ci sia la dittatura ma un senso di civilt, non viviamo da soli ma in una comunit e ci deve essere rispetto verso tutti non bisogna con le proprie scelte mettere in pericolo gli altri , se non ci fossero stati i vaccini ora saremmo ancora isolati a vivere una vita irreale senza pensare alle gravi conseguenze che possono derivare dal mancato rapporto con gli altri , l'uomo un essere sociale.
ReactReply - NAnaked-man62Original PosterFeb 19, 2022
Rispetto la tua opinione che non condivido minimamente, soffioleggero, e rimango della mia opinione, hanno sottratto la libert esagerando volutamente i dati sul contagio e dividendo la societ in modo terribile. Sar comunque il tempo a mostrare dov'era la vera ragione. Buon proseguimento.
ReactReply - 1N
Feb 21, 2022Covid has effected everyone in ways that will never be forgotten. We only know what the media wants to tell us and the things we have experienced. The full truth will probably never be known.
If this particular vaccine works; why all the concern?
If you are vaccinated, why be concerned about the unvaccinated?
Why the name calling and hatred because of an individual's beliefs?Who is right?
People that I know personally that were vaccinated out number the unvaccinated people that got covid.
That is scary.
I believe one should be able to weigh the options before making a decision.
Is the idea of control causing too much division and turmoil among us?
May those negatively effected heal and the more fortunate stay healthy.ReactReply - HA
Feb 21, 2022It is unfortunate that they want everyone jabbed up (multiple times) and yet pro vaxxers believe that this is the same as traditional vax which doesn't manipulate the DNA (that one just maims you from birth). The fear porn and propaganda machine of the MSM is insatiable and rampant and only slowly because they are loosing grasp are they relaxing things due to the fear of what is happening in Canada (God bless the Canadians). I believe there are select countries they are trying to push the limits with (UK, AU, CA, IT, FR etc) but it is not going well for them. Overall, stay safe, turn off the news and the TV and make sure you get Zinc, Vitamin D, Vitamin C, Quercetin and plenty of fluoride free water and nothing will come to you. All the best from avax freebloke from Australia (Sydney).ReactReply - SA
Feb 21, 2022The unvaccinated are a breeding ground for new variants. Scientists are afraid that a deadly variant, immune to the vaccines, will appear. Imagine the contagiousness of Omicron with the death rates of Delta in winter weather. The way to defeat this virus is to vaccinate the world. Israel got Omicron from a woman who returned from Malawi, of all places, and then took a six hour bus ride before her quarantine was over.
ReactReply - MEMemberFeb 21, 2022
I was born after WW2 and when polio became a pandemic in Australia. A cousin caught it, and spent 3 years in an iron lung and is handicapped as a result of the disease. By the mid 1950's a oral vaccine (from memory) was available and I was given it. Polio is now effectively destroyed. The same with Diphtheria in the early 1930's when my father and his mother and sisters caught it. One died. That terrible disease is now eliminated. We are all better off with the advances in medical science. What's the issue? Seflishness?
ReactReply - SUFeb 21, 2022
History suggests that these virus outbreaks, whether from species crossover, lab leak, whatever, trend to diminish over time. We no longer battle the Spanish flu. SARS, MERS, etc., have faded. The timeline of the Spanish Flu suggests it takes about this long to peter out.
The shots that have been administered appear to have resulted in limited attenuation of the virus and it's effects, and this difference shall likely never be meaningfully measurable, especially with the variants that have developed over the 2+ years. As mentioned before, I'm happy with whatever natural immunity I now have over a shot that is not fully approved.
ReactReply - SE
Feb 21, 2022Posts here contain many of the 'truths' uttered during this pandemic by those who have 'access to the real facts'.
No, none of the vaccines in use modify DNA. They don't need to.
Yes, of course a lot of vaccinated people are getting Covid. In NSW, Australia 94% of the adult population is fully (one or two doses) vaccinated... some will get Covid, some will get very sick, some will die. That's life. The important thing is that the 4% unvaccinated represent 25% of hospitalisations while the 94% fully vaccinated represent 72% of hospitalisations (approx NSW, Australia figures). The balance is partially vaccinated (one dose). If you have a little mathematical ability you can calculate that unvaccinated people are therefore about 8 times more likely to end up in hospital with Covid (and still, as my ED nurse sister-in-law tells me some do, they'll still deny it's real).
(Say you have a population of 10,000, of which (from the percentages above) 9,400 are fully vaccinated, 400 non-vaccinated. Say 100 people end up in hospital. 72 are fully vaccinated, 25 are not. The rate of hospitalisation in vaccinated is 72/9400=0.008. Unvaccinated 25/400 = 0.063 . 0.063/0.008 = 8 . You can change the 10,000 and the 100 to any figures you like. The result will be the same.
The odds in ICU are worse. The 4% unvaccinated represent 32% of ICU admissions.)ReactReply - GL
Feb 21, 2022Just cause people like to get naked doesn't mean they're not stupid. Spanish Flu didn't "fade away". It killed millions and stopped spreading because it ran out of hosts to infect. Oh, and the seasonal flu beget every year? It's variants of Spanish Flu.
ReactReply - JP
Feb 21, 2022I don't really think we need to bring politics onto TN.
"Seeg555" spelt out the numbers exceptionally well.
And for the Australians out there,.. most of you born here would have been through a mandatory vaccination process since you were born; polio, tetinus, rhubella/measles etc.
And when we travel abroad, you probably get the 3x Heps, Typhoid, Dengue Fever etc
If you don't wish to have the COVID injection, and you catch COVID,... stay at home. Don't over-burden the health system.
ReactReply - GU
Mar 1, 2022[quote]Please avoid these topics. There is so much ignorance in many of the replies and on top lead to unnecessary disputes.[/quote] So we should avoid topics just because certain individuals arent capable of commenting in a sensible/reasonable/constructive manner? Judging by your comment on a, now deleted, thread one Ukraine you have a very narrow view of topics that should be allowed on a naturist forum. The problem isnt the topics. It is responses by certain individuals. It is those comments that should be managed not the threads themselves. We have naturism in common. We should be able to discuss any topic on here in a reasonable manner. Just as you might discuss topics with other people at, say, a naturist club. You dont suddenly limit your range of conversations there. You talk and discuss whatever you want as normal people. Stop trying to put your own censorship on this site. There are enough mods doing that without self appointed ones. Object to a reply then flag it, but dont try and shut down a whole thread.ReactReply