The nude beach in Toronto is an example of where clothing optional is a bit of a problem. There are clothing mandatory and optional beaches next to each other, but the clothing optional beach is filled with clothed people.I think it would benefit from being nude mandatory, especially because the textile beach is so easily accessible.
Pursing that approach would be a guaranteed way to lose the clothing optional beach. Whats wrong with being clothes free around clothed people if you have the freedom to be clothes free and they arent stopping you. The best way to keep the clothing optional aspect of the beach IMO is to keep showing up and keeping clothes free to show folks how natural it is not to try to shove them off of it by making nudity mandatory. Co habitation should be the goal not exclusion.
Whoa, there! I don't think you're a dick for wanting to go nudity required. That's perfectly up to you, and I don't expect... hell, I don't even want... a world in which everybody agrees with me.
I was also curious where that notion came from. I made a point of sending kudos to the OP for the topic and everyone else for the civil conversation. Disagreeing doesnt mean others are jerk just means we disagree.
Whoa, there! I don't think you're a dick for wanting to go nudity required. That's perfectly up to you, and I don't expect... hell, I don't even want... a world in which everybody agrees with me.I was also curious where that notion came from. I made a point of sending kudos to the OP for the topic and everyone else for the civil conversation. Disagreeing doesnt mean others are jerk just means we disagree.
Thanks, I guess I read too much into some of the responses. It's the Internet and all...
Thanks, I guess I read too much into some of the responses. It's the Internet and all...
People who prefer "all nude" are often accused of being discriminatory or "just wanting to see naked people." I find that very reductive; if not outright insulting.
My wife and I visited several resorts before deciding on making an "all nude" one our primary nudist destination. That decision was based on both location and nudity. We both liked the "simplicity" of just leaving our clothes in the car for a day or two; and for everyone we interacted with to be "on the same page" as us.
My wife admittedly feels more comfortable being nude in front of someone who is also naked. It makes interaction more "harmonious", if that makes any sense. At the C/O resort, she never really felt comfortable being naked outside the pool area; as she might end up being the only one naked. At the "all nude" resort, she has no such reservations since everyone else is also naked.
Thanks, I guess I read too much into some of the responses. It's the Internet and all...People who prefer "all nude" are often accused of being discriminatory or "just wanting to see naked people." I find that very reductive; if not outright insulting.My wife and I visited several resorts before deciding on making an "all nude" one our primary nudist destination. That decision was based on both location and nudity. We both liked the "simplicity" of just leaving our clothes in the car for a day or two; and for everyone we interacted with to be "on the same page" as us.My wife admittedly feels more comfortable being nude in front of someone who is also naked. It makes interaction more "harmonious", if that makes any sense. At the C/O resort, she never really felt comfortable being naked outside the pool area; as she might end up being the only one naked. At the "all nude" resort, she has no such reservations since everyone else is also naked.
This expresses how I feel very well, including my being a dick comment. Thanks for posting.
The best thing about Clothing Optional is it is a good way to introduce newbies to nudism. I have taken several friends to Haulover. Almost all of them said they would not go by themselves and would not go if nudity was mandatory. All of them eventually ended up nude and the general consensus was "I never realized what I was missing" To me Clothing Optional always means nude and understand fully why a nudist camp / resort would mandate nudity in certain if not all areas.
Once when I was at Gunnison a nude women asked for help blowing up a raft. Her male friend was wearing board shorts. We got talking and she had just asked him if he wanted to go to the beach, and didn't tell him that it was clothing optional. He took his shorts off a little later, but had them on and off throughout the day,
The clothes optional club nearby is confusing to me. It has been in existance for many years, has many members. The confusing part is very few are nude, sometimes when I would be there only myself and two others were nude, and the weather was nice. Even at their pool, which is supposed to be nude, people have clothes on. It seems odd to wear clothes where you don't have too, when the weather is nice and you can be nude. I have switched to the clothes free club which suits me better.
I object to the term "being a dick" when we should just focus on proudly having one.
As far as CO vs. nudist, nudity is the great equalizer, but staying comfortable (not cold, bit or sunburned) also has its advantages.
When I'm "truly" naked without my glasses everything is a fuzzy blur and I don't notice much difference about clothes or the lack thereof, and I like it like that.
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