Gayness is largely about being. Swinging is about doing.
I think you're on a very slippery slope with this statement. I'm not a proponent of Swinging, but I think that members of that group could claim that it's a variant of polyamory, and they might put forth the position that it's just as much a type of sexual orientation as Gay.
As some have mentioned a number of times previously, TN seems to implicitly encourage some degree of sexual topics simply by providing members with the ability to label their sexual preferences in the profiles. As such, Swinging could be seen by some as a sexual preference and even a type of sexual orientation, closely similar to labeling one's self as Bisexual.
What is different about it, which the author of this thread highlighted, is that there's a very heavy prejudice against Swinging by more philosophical Naturists. As others have pointed out before, this is likely because of risks associated with having nudism closely associated with Swinging -- it damages the position that nudism can be innocent of sexual intentions.
It reminds me of a news story I read about how one of the nudist villages in France had such increases in sexual activity that the dedicated, "purist" nudists began to feel threatened, and they apparently burned down a few Swinging clubs to try to safeguard their lifestyles.
1) I see a big distinction between swinging and sexual orientation. Either orientation can pursue monogomy or instead pursue sex with multiple people. My father's cousin is gay and has been with the same man from before I was born.
2) There are legitimate reasons for gays to want to talk to one another and hang out with one another other than to have sex.Just like men and women can hang out platonically so can gays. Gays will have more in common with one another andthus there is a reason why sexual orientation is out there beyond trying to hook up. A gay person might want to another to PM them because they feel like they would have more in common. However swingers by definition want to hook up with other swingers for sex. If they want to hang out platonically they are not swingers.
3) I don't care what people do in privateif they want to swing that is up to them. However, this site is supposed to be for nudists not for swingers to find other swingers or to discuss swinging. Discussing past encounters and looking fornew encounters in instrinsically sexual in nature and thus seems toviolate the rules. Reminding people this is a nudist site not a swinger site should not result in punishment.
Quote: I think a lot of people are missing what I am getting at. This thread was started because of another thread where someone got really upset with a person in the chat, discussing Swinging with another swinger, apparently. This led me to question whether or not we had the right to challenge swingers. Cleary, we have seen from NudeInMa, that we do. That is the first point"
Response: It is unclear whether we have the right to challenge swingers. I was booted from chat for saying, "This is a nudist site not a swinger site. Itis just as wrong for women and couple profiles tomake sexual advances on othersas for men." Since swingers scare away some genuine nudists it seems to me this site should have a policy against allow swingers to solicit people.
Quote "The second question that I have, even if someone is discussing swinging, but it is not sexually explicit, should that be permissable? It would be nice to get a consensus on this, but I don't see the liklihood of that happening."
Response: Create a poll question and ask people to answer it if you simply seek opinions on that. My own personal opinion is that swinging is by definition sexual. If you want to meet only swingers and not people who enjoy only platonic nudism then I think that such peopel should find a swinger club or swinger website. If they arewant people to hang out platonically and do swinging eslewhere with others then who cares, it need not even be brought up. Basically the only reason to tell people you are a swinger is to either discussyour escapades or to try to see if others are into ittoo thus trolling for other swingers.
quote: "Ultimately though, I hope we can deal with this issue in a civil manor. If the person becomes difficult, then flag and leave it to administration. Thanks for your participation."
Response: A clear rule from those who review flaggings on whether we shouldflag swingers or not would be nice.
Quote: I think a lot of people are missing what I am getting at. This thread was started because of another thread where someone got really upset with a person in the chat, discussing Swinging with another swinger, apparently. This led me to question whether or not we had the right to challenge swingers. Cleary, we have seen from NudeInMa, that we do. That is the first point"
Response: It is unclear whether we have the right to challenge swingers. I was booted from chat for saying, "This is a nudist site not a swinger site. Itis just as wrong for women and couple profiles tomake sexual advances on othersas for men." Since swingers scare away some genuine nudists it seems to me this site should have a policy against allow swingers to solicit people.
Quote "The second question that I have, even if someone is discussing swinging, but it is not sexually explicit, should that be permissable? It would be nice to get a consensus on this, but I don't see the liklihood of that happening."
Create a poll question and ask people to answer it if you simply seek opinions on that. My own personal opinion is that swinging is by definition sexual. If you want to meet only swingers and not people who enjoy only platonic nudism then I think that such peopel should find a swinger club or swinger website. If they arewant people to hang out platonically and do swinging eslewhere with others then who cares, it need not even be brought up. Basically the only reason to tell people you are a swinger is to either discussyour escapades or to try to see if others are into ittoo thus trolling for other swingers.
quote: "Ultimately though, I hope we can deal with this issue in a civil manor. If the person becomes difficult, then flag and leave it to administration. Thanks for your participation."
A clear rule from those who review flaggings on whether we shouldflag swingers or not would be nice.
swingers do not belong here, nude normal people belong here.
swingers do not belong here, nude normal people belong here.
The only workable policywould bea don't ask don't tell type of policy. If a swinger and you disclose in orderto either brag about past encoutners or try to arrange sexual encounters thoseshould beviolations which can get you booted both from chat andfrom the site.If a swingerand ALSO a genuine nudist who enjoys platonic nudism then I see no problem with them being here so long as they keep quiet about their swingingonly chat about nudism/ seek platonic nudist encounters. That way they will not scare anyone away from this site who is genuinely interested in nudism. The name true nudists seems to have an intended purposewhichis defeated by swingers looking for sexual encounters.
I think a lot of people are missing what I am getting at. This thread was started because of another thread where someone got really upset with a person in the chat, discussing Swinging with another swinger, apparently. This led me to question whether or not we had the right to challenge swingers. Cleary, we have seen from NudeInMa, that we do. That is the first point. . The second question that I have, even if someone is discussing swinging, but it is not sexually explicit, should that be permissable? It would be nice to get a consensus on this, but I don't see the liklihood of that happening. . Ultimately though, I hope we can deal with this issue in a civil manor. If the person becomes difficult, then flag and leave it to administration. Thanks for your participation.
seriously, this is not the place for swingers, this is the place for honest hardworking people that don't wear clothes to come together. Don't fuck it up with stupid "weenie waggers"
And I'm not sure it's a place for bigots who stereotype groups of people based on limited knowledge simply because they don't agree with them. I am not a swinger, and don't necessarily agree with the lifestyle, but TO EACH HIS OWN. The terms "Nudist" and "Swinger" are in no way MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE.
Here's my take on the subject, for what it's worth. While there are people opposed to socialnudity for other reasons, most who oppose it do so because they believe it to bean inherently sexual activity. Forthis reason, the owner of this website has asked that we all refrain from posting anything that could seem like sex and nudity are being deliberately confused.
That said, the policy so far (as far I can tell) has been to ban or otherwise act against people who try to create sexually oriented groups, post photos that are clearly meant to arouseor write in a way that could beconsidered reminiscent of sexualactivity or experience. So far, no action has ever been taken against people who simply declare their orientation, preference or lifestyle. It may be a thin line, but I think that line is worth keeping.
Not that long ago, I saw a profile where a member said something along the lines of "My partner and I are swingers, but we recognise the difference between nudism and swinging, and act accordingly." I find this acceptable. What I wouldn't find acceptable is something along the lines of, "We'realways looking for new friends to swing with." That would clearly be a violation.
Granted, if a declared swinger says, "We're always looking for new friends," and left it at that, we could assume there was an implicit invitation. But that might be assuming a littletoo much. Perhaps s/he already has all the swing friends s/he needs and would like to add a few platonic friends, especially a doctor for medical advice, a lawyer for legal issues, an accountant for tax time, a babysitter for the kids, a speechwriter for the next election, etc.
As a website, we don't (or shouldn't) promote swinging. But that doesn't mean we can't have swingers. My two cents' worth...
Here's my take on the subject, for what it's worth. While there are people opposed to socialnudity for other reasons, most who oppose it do so because they believe it to bean inherently sexual activity. Forthis reason, the owner of this website has asked that we all refrain from posting anything that could seem like sex and nudity are being deliberately confused. That said, the policy so far (as far I can tell) has been to ban or otherwise act against people who try to create sexually oriented groups, post photos that are clearly meant to arouseor write in a way that could beconsidered reminiscent of sexualactivity or experience. So far, no action has ever been taken against people who simply declare their orientation, preference or lifestyle. It may be a thin line, but I think that line is worth keeping. Not that long ago, I saw a profile where a member said something along the lines of "My partner and I are swingers, but we recognise the difference between nudism and swinging, and act accordingly." I find this acceptable. What I wouldn't find acceptable is something along the lines of, "We'realways looking for new friends to swing with." That would clearly be a violation. Granted, if a declared swinger says, "We're always looking for new friends," and left it at that, we could assume there was an implicit invitation. But that might be assuming a littletoo much. Perhaps s/he already has all the swing friends s/he needs and would like to add a few platonic friends, especially a doctor for medical advice, a lawyer for legal issues, an accountant for tax time, a babysitter for the kids, a speechwriter for the next election, etc. As a website, we don't (or shouldn't) promote swinging. But that doesn't mean we can't have swingers. My two cents' worth...
Well said Gerry
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