Edited my own post what I said was offensive and uncalled for - I am sorry. I simply got caught up in the heat of the moment between this and an issue with another person on this site trying to get pictures of my son for a sick reason
You have to take the group for what it is. They are a great group that is starting to take a new harder edge on the policy of accepting people, so no it is not for everyone just like Christianity is not for everyone or is being a Democrat or Republican. The program will no doubt offend some people, but if it helps some the effort was worth it. So watch the video, pass it on if you want, if not leave it alone no one is forcing you to put on the shirt or demanding you spread it around.
Brushing aside the swear words and flaming - The problem is to quote "the program will no doubt offend some people, but if it helps some the effort was worth it"
And when more are offended by this than the 'some' who are helped? What good has it done?
I am very sorry about what I said and I did reread some things and I did adjust my post. I am the big enough man to say that I was wrong for saying what I did and I am sorry, hopefully you can understand it comes from a place of sincerity and remorse.
My face pic is just a picture I took. I am not an all smiles kind of guy(I didn't smile in my senior pictures), it is just who I am. I do not think exploiting children is a good thing, but in this case I understand what they were getting at. I have a son and a "good standing member" here asked me last night if I would show him off on cam, and to let him see his parts - So I was fired up and pissy and I am sorry that I took that anger out in this forum. I respect children and do not wish harm to any of them.
As for the double post I am not sure what happend if i hit the button on accident but it was not ment to post twice - Which I have corrected now.
Lastly I am not a fan of black people using the N word when attacking each other, and I do not like it when gays toss fag and queer and twink and the likes at each other when they are pissed at one another. But again I am sorry NudeinMA I was out of line and I hope you can accept my appology.
It gets personal when the public effects of the behavior of the faggots that the self-absorbed, ignorant punk cheerleads for creates a hatred for me as a gay man.He is ignorant. That is obvious. And he has no interest in doing anything positive. Between championing obscene behavior by in-your-face queers and telling us all to accept his strolling about in nudist venues with a stiff cock, he has not once in any of his posts said anything positive.Also, if you watch the videos there are some adorable children saying fuck and it's just... funny and cute at the same time.
Is that "adorable" and "cute" to you?
"Can't we all just get along?" No, we cannot.
I don't find children using profanity, cute or funny. I find it offensive. I have not gone to the site selling, but offensive messages supporting a cause will do more harm to the cause than good. Behavior of the type I have heard of at gay pride will also turn people away. I have friends who are gay, they don't use offensive behavior to promote a cause, they gain more support by treating others with respect and definately don't try to "convert" someone to their way of life.
It is good that on reflection some here can edit their distastefull posts, I wish more saw fit to do likewise.
NB, I would bow to your greater knowledge of youth but ask, (in the 18-30 range this may be acceptable) what about the majority of thinking adults (30-70) there are way more of us and we are not all ogres but then again we are not all liberal minded.
On the effectiveness of Internet campaigning, one would have said the exact same about television the first years it was coming out, and radio as well. People are on the internet all the time. Case in point, NiM and I with the help of a few others have been able to get about 75 posts on this topic and currently about 1400 views since I posted it maybe a week ago and this is a small niche Internet community. (BTW thank you, NiM, you have helped me spread the cause).
The 2008 Obama campaign utilized social media network points. They managed to raise 2M dollars off of social networking alone... and are you ready for this? Each donation made was less than 200.00 and he also mobilized thousands of people to campaign on their own... I mean how many people did you see holding his red white and blue artsy picture with the word Change on it? Betty White was put on as a host for SNL, and why? Because some guy started a facebook campaign and there was so much support for it they called her and asked her. People LOVE controversy and people are pretty much hooked on the internet. I can get on it through children's game consoles, Wii and Xbox and Nintendo DS. I can get it on my Ipod and my smart phone. My stepmom has an E-book, the purpose of which is reading... and she can get on the internet on it and not just to download Tina Fey's Bossypants. This site is utilizing that... directly. Every time you Tweet or like this video on facebook they donate .25 to a good cause... do you know how easy it is to drum up support that way?
Katy Perry just recently released a music video online for T.G.I.F. it's been online for one week and it's already got 22.5 MILLION views. If we go by that math, let's say it gets 10M posts/tweets... that's 2.5 million dollars raised simply by clicking a couple of buttons, not to mention the people who will see the video and actively donate to things. Now, the only stop on that is they've limited the amount they'll donate only up to 250,000 but that's so easy to get accomplished We live in a generation that exhonerates someone like Paris Hilton for saying "that's hot" do you really think fuck is going to make someone bat an eye? Another fact is that this is an internet campaign, and while a majority of the population might be 30-70 the majority of internet users, especially social media users, are still typically younger and fairly more liberal. When I was at gay pride I saw probably 100 people with these shirts on, and I was at a small pride and i wasn't looking for them. This campaign doesn't have to be big to be effective, think how many kids go trick-or-treating with Unicef donation buckets, they aren't making much off their route but it's still something and it still helps.
Want to know what else helps? Being visible, showing your true colors whether other people like them or not. Take myself for example, there are a couple of users on this site who straight up have a problem with me... there are plenty more in comparison that send me private messages saying how they agree with me... and even if there weren't you can't stop me from being me, you're hate won't change me it'll just make me stronger. You really want to silence me? I mean... REALLY? I'll tell you how to do it, and it's so simple. (Ignore me). You can't go forward with something on your own, ignore me and report me to the powers that be if you think I'm doing something wrong... but this isn't proactive, you're promoting my message as much as you're sharing yours, and by using elevated nonsense you're peaking interest because people LOVE drama especially when it's at arm's length and they aren't actively involved. So you know what? I will wave my rainbow flag and walk downtown during a parade in underwear or a pink wig, and I will draw your attention. And when people see me raising attention without hurting anyone and see you trying to do the same but with attacks and awful, they'll be more likely to support me because no one likes hate.
And just like FCKH8.com if you don't like what I have to say (I'm going to say it anyway) and because I haven't lost my cool and I haven't done anything negative like calling people queers or faggots I'll probably be received better... OH and a side point, NiM, black people using the word nigger is just as offensive and wrong as someone who isn't black using it and is just as disempowering. However, you have every right to use it, got to love freedom of speech, but if you want to talk about something that's going to push a movement back let's talk about using terms coined from derogatory places, how does referring to someone as "odd or unnormal" (queer) or "a bundle of sticks used for kindling when burning witches at the stake" (faggot) help move someone forward in anyway? All I see it doing is perpetuating fucked up hate (Oh SNAP, i just used a big word and promoted the sites message) and that doesn't seem helpful at all.
So another shameless plug made possible by a negative response to this campaign, check out FCKH8.com to help support gay rights and look good doing it ^_^
While I know several of you do not like the program and the way it is going about spreading its word I did think it was worth noting that the guy behind the website and the video has done several other things that are worth mentioning.
His name is Luke Montgomery, he is a non-profit media campaigner. Some of his credits include being the founder of WECANBUILDANDORPHANGE.COM helping children with AIDs, the webdesigner for CAUSECOMANDOS.COM Hayti Earthquake Reliefe, Creator of NODISPOSABLEPETS.COM, Founder of ADOPT-A-PET.COM and others. He has been named in Advocates 40 under 40, been featured on 'THE VIEW", "THE DAILY SHOW", on with LENO, Letterman, Walters, and plenty more including Stern. He has been profiles in USAToday and on the front page of other major outlets.
I just wanted everyone to know that the guy that is responsible for this video and program is not just another flake - the guy is doing real work for great causes. So it does add a much greater level of crediblity to what he is doing and promoting.
Why don't you tone down your pompous, patronising posts or GTFO out of this site? Seriously, you are one of the most arrogant and conceited people I've ever encountered on a forum.
It was inevitable that a consummate ass like you would drag the thread back into the sewer. Jeez. How about confining yourself to rec.nude and leaving the serious stuff to the grownups?
NIM - There is no way to ever have a open discussion when you refuse to even remotely act as though you are open to understand someone elses view on a situation - not accepting but acknowledging that they have valid view. So I guess with that said I tell you good day, and goodbye - it would have been nice to have an open conversation with you thart did not attempt to make me feel stupid(which neither you or anyone in here can make me feel) but it is not going to happen because instead of talking you come off as mean. I honestly doubt that is what you planned, or at least i hope you didn't, but I am afraid that is how it is viewed and not only by me. I opened up and told you I respected your thoughts but it is obvious you will not engage in something equally as polite.
NiMA said:
'When what someone else does in public reflects negatively on me, even though I have no part in it, then is that person doing what is best for the community or just for himself'?
Nothing anyone else says in public could reflect more negatively/badly on you than what you yourself do NiMA, for that you really can't be beat!
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