Candaulism plus
Funny word candaulism, isn't it. Most of you had to look it up in the dictionary, while I suspect many, if not most French know it. It simply comes from the name or some semi-mythical king, Candaule, who liked to let his servants admire his wife naked while she was not aware of the fact. Don't remember all the details, you might as well look them up on Wiki.
But what I found fascinating when I did look it up in Wiki some time ago (not because I didn't know what it meant, but because I wanted to see its origin) was that the French and English versions did not agree with each other. In the English version the explanation was somethong like "a paraphilia where men like to share their wife's naked images with other men". Ok. Maybe it was gender neutral, I don't quite remember and I don't feel like looking it up again. But clearly, this is a paraphilia shared mostly by men.
In the French version however this paraphilia concerned "sharing images of his wife or the wife herself with other men". Now isn't this small extra step, "sharing the wife herself", quite interesting. For once, the English interpretation is closer to the etymology of the word, but I suspect that if you go to a specialised club in France and you announce that you are a candaulist you will receive requests to share more than pics of your wife. So let's call this extra French step "Candaulism plus". Or candaulism with benefits. Whatever.
I think there is a bit of exhibitionism and of voyeurism in many, if not most nudists. Not in all and not in a medical term, whereas we derive major or exclusive sexual satisfaction from such activities. But we do like to look at other people, usually of the preferred gender, when they are in the nude and also to be looked at by them. Now I may be an oddity as I prefer men for sex (not that I have much experience with women and the little I do have is very recent, but this is another story) but I still prefer to look at women on a nude beach.
We have already established that most guys in this group are more exhibitionist than voyeur - which does not mean that they won't admire a nice nude lady when the opportunity presets itself (they do and that is actually why they are in this group) but when they had to choose between being the only one naked and the only one dressed in a group of ladies (or whatever gender they have a sexual preference for) they all chose the former.
Now I will also argue that most (although not all) nudist men are candaulist - meaning that they like to see their women admired in the nude by other men. Why do so many men around here tell us stories about how they have tried or are trying to convert their better half to nudism? Why would they want that? Now, in all honesty, I think there are only three possible answers to this question - and they don't exclude each other, in fact more often than not it is a combination of the three.
Answer number one - because they want to share with her the pleasure of nudism. And it is true that it's nice not to wear clothes, in particular when you are on the beach and water is involved. It's nicer to be nude in the water and nicer when you get out of the water. Plus, that all over tan means you can wear that spaghetti dress with no second thought.
Answer number two. Because men want to feel legitimised. Walking hand in hand with a naked lady makes them feel and be seen as legit nudists. The stigma of the single nudist man is no longer. They can ogle a bit without being considered voyeurs, they can chat with other couples, they can proudly parade everywhere. They are part of a COUPLE.
Answer number three. Because they like to see others (men in particular) admire their nude sweet lady. And as I think this pleasure plays a role in most men's interest in converting their woman to nudism I have my conclusion: most men are, at least to a certain extent, candaulist, as they like their woman to be seen and admired in the nude by other people.
As for "candaulism plus", meaning the actual pleasure or desire to share sexually your partner, I think this is also at least an occasional phantasm of many men, and nudists in particular. We had in the previous group a lady who very openly told us a few stories about her long experience as a swinger and another one who told us about her hubby's desire to share her with other men and her questions about such (otherwise tempting) experience. And we have presently two ladies who confessed to me that they have swinged or are swinging (not gonna give names, although they are not particularly shy, I suspect that they would be ok with that). As for myself... I don' t know... what do you think, did my man ever enjoy sharing me with other men or did I ever enjoy sharing him with other women?
This topic being already too long, I will not speculate about the origin of these phantasms, which are unnatural for the current, nominally monogamous, sexual phase of our evolution. I suspect that candaulism plus comes from the first, promiscuous phase (chimps-like phase) and "regular" candaulism from the second, polygamous (gorilla-like) phase. But I'll leave it here.
So I will go straight to my usual questions:
1. On a scale of 1 to 10, where 1 means "are you out of your freaking mind?" And 10 is "I do/could enjoy this massively 24/7", how much of a candaulist are you? Meaning, how much pleasure do/would you derive from seeing other people admiring your partner in the nude?
2. On the same scale, how much of a "candaulist plus" are you? Meaning how much pleasure do/would you derive from sharing sexually your partner with other people of the same sex as you?
3. How much of a candaulist do you think I and D are?
4. What do you think, was I ever engaged into "candaulist plus" activities? Meaning, did my man share me with other men or did I share him with other women? If yes, how often?
Funny word candaulism, isn't it. Most of you had to look it up in the dictionary, while I suspect many, if not most French know it. It simply comes from the name or some semi-mythical king, Candaule, who liked to let his servants admire his wife naked while she was not aware of the fact. Don't remember all the details, you might as well look them up on Wiki.But what I found fascinating when I did look it up in Wiki some time ago (not because I didn't know what it meant, but because I wanted to see its origin) was that the French and English versions did not agree with each other. In the English version the explanation was somethong like "a paraphilia where men like to share their wife's naked images with other men". Ok. Maybe it was gender neutral, I don't quite remember and I don't feel like looking it up again. But clearly, this is a paraphilia shared mostly by men.In the French version however this paraphilia concerned "sharing images of his wife or the wife herself with other men". Now isn't this small extra step, "sharing the wife herself", quite interesting. For once, the English interpretation is closer to the etymology of the word, but I suspect that if you go to a specialised club in France and you announce that you are a candaulist you will receive requests to share more than pics of your wife. So let's call this extra French step "Candaulism plus". Or candaulism with benefits. Whatever.I think there is a bit of exhibitionism and of voyeurism in many, if not most nudists. Not in all and not in a medical term, whereas we derive major or exclusive sexual satisfaction from such activities. But we do like to look at other people, usually of the preferred gender, when they are in the nude and also to be looked at by them. Now I may be an oddity as I prefer men for sex (not that I have much experience with women and the little I do have is very recent, but this is another story) but I still prefer to look at women on a nude beach.We have already established that most guys in this group are more exhibitionist than voyeur - which does not mean that they won't admire a nice nude lady when the opportunity presets itself (they do and that is actually why they are in this group) but when they had to choose between being the only one naked and the only one dressed in a group of ladies (or whatever gender they have a sexual preference for) they all chose the former.Now I will also argue that most (although not all) nudist men are candaulist - meaning that they like to see their women admired in the nude by other men. Why do so many men around here tell us stories about how they have tried or are trying to convert their better half to nudism? Why would they want that? Now, in all honesty, I think there are only three possible answers to this question - and they don't exclude each other, in fact more often than not it is a combination of the three.Answer number one - because they want to share with her the pleasure of nudism. And it is true that it's nice not to wear clothes, in particular when you are on the beach and water is involved. It's nicer to be nude in the water and nicer when you get out of the water. Plus, that all over tan means you can wear that spaghetti dress with no second thought.Answer number two. Because men want to feel legitimised. Walking hand in hand with a naked lady makes them feel and be seen as legit nudists. The stigma of the single nudist man is no longer. They can ogle a bit without being considered voyeurs, they can chat with other couples, they can proudly parade everywhere. They are part of a COUPLE.Answer number three. Because they like to see others (men in particular) admire their nude sweet lady. And as I think this pleasure plays a role in most men's interest in converting their woman to nudism I have my conclusion: most men are, at least to a certain extent, candaulist, as they like their woman to be seen and admired in the nude by other people.As for "candaulism plus", meaning the actual pleasure or desire to share sexually your partner, I think this is also at least an occasional phantasm of many men, and nudists in particular. We had in the previous group a lady who very openly told us a few stories about her long experience as a swinger and another one who told us about her hubby's desire to share her with other men and her questions about such (otherwise tempting) experience. And we have presently two ladies who confessed to me that they have swinged or are swinging (not gonna give names, although they are not particularly shy, I suspect that they would be ok with that). As for myself... I don' t know... what do you think, did my man ever enjoy sharing me with other men or did I ever enjoy sharing him with other women?This topic being already too long, I will not speculate about the origin of these phantasms, which are unnatural for the current, nominally monogamous, sexual phase of our evolution. I suspect that candaulism plus comes from the first, promiscuous phase (chimps-like phase) and "regular" candaulism from the second, polygamous (gorilla-like) phase. But I'll leave it here.So I will go straight to my usual questions:1. On a scale of 1 to 10, where 1 means "are you out of your freaking mind?" And 10 is "I do/could enjoy this massively 24/7", how much of a candaulist are you? Meaning, how much pleasure do/would you derive from seeing other people admiring your partner in the nude?2. On the same scale, how much of a "candaulist plus" are you? Meaning how much pleasure do/would you derive from sharing sexually your partner with other people of the same sex as you?3. How much of a candaulist do you think I and D are?4. What do you think, was I ever engaged into "candaulist plus" activities? Meaning, did my man share me with other men or did I share him with other women? If yes, how often?
Fascinating topic Flora...
Some answers.
1. Probably an 8, but the lady would need to a) know, she probably would anyway b) be comfortable/enjoy the fact
2. Less than previous, fantasy would be one thing I think, the imagination rather than the act... so a 4.
3. If your photo shoots and stories are near true, I think you are both there or thereabouts so a 9.
4. Again, I think given your tales and adventures shared. I'd say 9... i wouldn't think this is highly regular, else you would describe yourselves as swingers, so more irregular activity. You have described pretty close in your erotic photoshoots.
I don't think either of you have reservations, indeed D extracting you from your swimsuit speaks the this.
5. Oh there isn't a 5... I was on a roll there...
Imagination Richie x
I guess I am strong on the first, even if my wife is not a nudist as proven by the swimsuits (and other clothing) I've tried to get her in over the years. Same principle. The suits have, I suspect, on occasion revealed her a little more than she might have known (such as one tan-through suit that did not quite live up to it's name around the nipple and butt crack regions. No desire to share physically, but always happy for her to be admired.
Only two people interested in the subject. So I'll give you my answer to one of the questions only. On a scale 1 to 10, D must be around 8. He does like me to be naked and admired by other men. I wouldn't put him higher because I don't think this is some sort of strong paraphilia, meaning some exclusive (that would be a 20) or most important sexual interest for him.
I would only be at around 2 or 3. I do like him to be admired by other women but more so when he is elegantly dressed than when he is nude. Unfortunately, he is more often nude than elegantly dressed, he has no interest in fashion and I usually need to buy his clothes myself and take them back for a refund if that don't fit.
As for Candaulism plus well... I'd better let you imagine things...
That's probably common, Flora, and in line with traditional roles in society. The parallels with high-end events, where the lady looks her best in a stunning frock and her man in a sharp suit, come to mind.
And how does a man stand out on a CO beach? A stunning physique or a stunning member (with perhaps adornment as a third option, but that's more a novelty in this comparison). Women draw general interest and admiration with having to be as strong percentile-wise.
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