Bianca
I already had a topic about Bianca Censori and her billionaire hubby Ye and everyone felt obliged to go "oh, I don't follow these rich people, I don't care about them" while my questions were about substance, not specific celebrities.
Probably because at that time I had looked for pics of Bianca, I still occasionally get info about them on my timeline. Now I don't follow any celebrity on any social site (except a few journalists who are now obliged to publish on Substack because they dared to reveal uncomfortable truths and are now only known to people who, like me, believe that NYT, BBC and WaPo are propaganda outlets no better than Russia Today).
But back to the issue at hand. Ye brought Bianca at the Grammy's. She was wearing an oversized black fur coat which, when posing for the photographers, she removed and was... naked underneath. Okm if you looked carefully, there was some "invisible dress" there, but more transparent than anything I ever wore in Cap d'Agde. I could post some pics, it took me a few good minutes to find some uncensored ones. To uncensor Censori.
Big scandal, big commotion, all journals felt obliged to publish (censored) pics, express their disgust and quote some people who were shocked and disturbed about this.
Now, Bianca is a very sexy woman, at the peak of her feminity - she must be around 30. Yes, I know you guys prefer 16 yo, but to me the peak of feminine beauty is 30, to each their own, let's agree to disagree on this one. She is small, thin and fit, with huge perky boobs. Those must be some big C or small D cups, but on her tiny frame they look like Fs. Yes, I also know that you guys like B cups (I do too) but let's face it. Those girls are spectacular.
Of course, these people are rich because they are famous and are famous because they are rich. Not sure though that all these antics are made only for cash. In fact, journals gloated that Ye lost a 20 million Japan gig, cancelled specifically because of these antics. On the other hand, Ye boasted that Bianca has completely shadowed the whole Grammy's. Which is true, for several days, her name was the most googled thing on the net (and yes, I was one of those who did this).
I believe that Ye is a true candaulist. Someone who likes others to see his wife naked (named after some king who allowed his servants to see his wife while she was bathing, don't know the details, Google it up). Now, in French I've seen this term used for guys who like other men to enjoy more than just the sight of their wives, but this is another topic.
I also believe that candaulism and jealousy impress very close patches of your cortex - or maybe even amigdala? You know, just like shyness and arousal. Don't lie, first time naked in public you were overwhelmed with shame (negative feeling) but this can turn into arousal (positive stimulus), which can make your nipples go hard and even some.., you know, wetness to be felt. And you guys may get an erection... And this may make you feel guilty and increase the feeling of shame, which in its turn can increase the arousal...
I also think that men can go from being very protective of their wives' nudity to being elated and aroused when other men can admire it. I believe that this is less the case for women, we are not so impressed by our men's nudity display because... Well, sorry to burst your bubble guys, but your nudity is slightly less important than ours.
So my theory (based on nothing but female intuition) goes like this: just as shyness (negative) and arousal (positive) can turn into each other, something similar happens with the relation between jealousy and candaulism. You may be jealous every time you think a guy looks at your wife's shape even when she is dressed in an overcoat and then one day you may go together to a nudist venue and she naturally drops her kit and poof! You are confused, you don't know whether to be angry or aroused and in the end jealousy loses the battle and turns into elation and arousal, seeing all those men admiring the intimacy of your better half. And from now on you'll feel a sort of sexual tingling when you hold her naked by the hand in public and expect all eyes to turn towards her.
I know that D is a candaulist. He likes me to dress sexily, doesn't like any of my wide, non fit and non revealing garments and enjoys seeing me naked in public. In a nudist environment, he likes to send me to buy him beer, in Sinsheim he often finds a pretext to go down in the pool a couple minutes before me and then look at me while I go down those stairs and all guys (except those who hug each other) look at me etc. He would also like me to provoke in a non nudist context but I don't like to shock, upset and disturb people so I normally don't do exhibitionism. Ok, there were a few exceptions when, ganging up with other couples, I had to do some challenges or dares but that was because in a gang you don't want to be the one who spoils the fun by being too prude. But this is another story.
Ok. In fact I started this topic to ask whether this type of provocation, Bianca's display of nudity in a textile context, is good or bad for the image of nudism. On the one hand, it normalises public nudity. On the other hand, it shocks and provokes and may associate even more, in the mind of many textiles, nudity and exhibitionism. I guess if I was in Bianca's transparent shoes I would have chosen not the Grammy's but the Oscars to display my body. Come on, all movies show nudity (at least they did in France back when I was still watching them), you can't run for the mountains just because you see a naked lady without the protection of the screen between you and her.
But this topic is getting too long already so I won't develop this idea, maybe another time, another topic, I'll now just ask you the traditional questions.
1. On a scale jealousy-candaulism of 1 to 10, where 1 is "I'd kill the guy who has inadvertently seen a square inch of her covered skin" and 10 is "I'd be overwhelmed with joy to be able to walk her naked through the city centers of all world's capital cities", how much of a candaulist are you?
2. Are you glad that Bianca showed herself naked in public in prude America?
3. Do you think this incident is good or bad for nudists and nudism?
Thanks Flora, i confess i went ahead and found some uncensored pics of Bianca at the Grammy's
I think it's just a publicity stunt, i nice one admittedly, she's has a great body! And I'm her prime.
If this was to further the nudism "cause" the act would have been done at Cap... or somewhere similar, as it is, it would appear to be just self serving to up the hits via Google.
Answers to Qs
1. Hmm, if the lady is comfortable, then I'm also OK with her showing as much of herself as she wants to, 8-10 then
2. Yes, although a publicity stunt, its pokes fun at the prudes, so why not, always a good gig.
3. It probably makes little difference, but if anything, slightly worse... it's clearly not nudism but more exhibitionism so probably not too much impact.
Richie x
Ok, here are some pics.
These are not my pics. They are almost nude pics of a well-known woman who is over 18 and has given her agreement for these pics to be taken and disseminated widely. I am infringing no property rights here and there is no possible suspicion that these pics do not belong to Bianca or that she is under age.
Still, I bet the mods will delete them because... I don't know why. Mods will be mods.
Thanks, once again, for a marvelous post. It raises some interesting points and now I know what candaulism is. I think this is an important topic for the nudist "community" and glad you raised it. To your questions:
1. Unlike Ye (or even D?), I would not compel a partner to exhibit her body. It's her choice. If she chose, would I support her? Yes. Would I lke it? Yes. Wouild I be aroused by it? No, this is not the time or place for arousal. Bottom line: 9.
2. Yes, display of the naked body is a good thing and I am glad this happened. I'm sure, like you (and I), many people went to find uncensored pictures. The Censored Censori immediately crossed my mind when I first read the story and tried to find a picture without pixelation. This was not, however, nudism; it was exhibitionism and sensationaism. In that respect, not so good for nudism as a cause (see below) but, again, good to contribute to breaking down the clothing-obsessed society of the US.
3. At the end of the day, I think the event is neutral. It will not promote nudism becauae it is not nudism (see above) nor will it hurt nudism because we will keep doing what we do. If there is any effect at all, it is the fact that seeing a naked body in a public venue makes this more "normal", though this event is far from "normal" in so mamy ways.
Again, thank you for your wonderful, thoght-provoking posts.
Ok, here are some pics.These are not my pics. They are almost nude pics of a well-known woman who is over 18 and has given her agreement for these pics to be taken and disseminated widely. I am infringing no property rights here and there is no possible suspicion that these pics do not belong to Bianca or that she is under age.Still, I bet the mods will delete them because... I don't know why. Mods will be mods.
I've never seen anyone more naked while being dressed! Lol
As always a well presented query Flora. My responses are this,
1. 10 I am of the same opinion as D.
2.I glad that Bianca did this. She has an incredible body and should harbor no shame in showing it.
3. My opinion is that it was a good thing for nudists and nudism because it instantaneously opened the doors to conversation where normally this would not be discussed. Pro or con the discussion has been brought up.
Good morning
Great questions !
As for me, I have thought about it but from the perspective of the husband is watching the wife with another man and how I would feel. The husbands that I have seen are always aroused and touching them selves as his wife is in gaged in a sexual act. I always thought that I would not like that, but if she needed that would I ?
As for Bianca and her husband I thought it looked like he was forcing her to do it. Their looks were sad or angry ! Not sure ? Not good with celebrities and how they promote themselves.
For me having the wife that looks like you two. Hmmm maybe I could like it if you walked around getting other people jealous of what I have. D is definitely strong enough to ward off any other activity that comes up to you. So ok I will have to say, yes and no
Yup. The mods deleted the pics of a famous 30 yo lady who were in the public domain and posted here for illustrating a discussion topic. No possible age, image or property rights issue here, but as expected, mods have some problems understanding the site's rules.
Yup. The mods deleted the pics of a famous 30 yo lady who were in the public domain and posted here for illustrating a discussion topic. No possible age, image or property rights issue here, but as expected, mods have some problems understanding the site's rules.
Shame about Bianca's pics being deleted, I so agree she didn't look thrilled about being near nude, but maybe that was her smiling? Don't know her. The commentary was caustic and i feel unnecessary, it was an interesting point about indecent exposure, and had it been her hubby wearing anything like her outfit he'd have been arrested in the spot, mind he is a large lad. Does this point to one rule for ladies and one for men in the realm of IE, and is that fair?
Pondering, Richie x
Yup. The mods deleted the pics of a famous 30 yo lady ...
This is odd, especially that this is a site for nudists. What could be the possible rationale for deleting these pictures? Copyright concerns? Lack of consent? Perhaps the fiorst but sertainly not the second. There are so many fake profiles with pictures lifted off the web that the second can not be a rationale. *eye roll*
Can't be copyright concerns. When you are one of the 36 photographers taking pics from the exact same point of view, you can't even distinguish pics taken by you from those taken by your neighbours . If I post a pic of a building taken by Google maps do you think Google Maps would sue me? No, because that view is so public that I could have snapped the pic myself.
The reason is that I am not certified (and will never be). What the poor mods can't process is that MasterCard imposed the rule that uncertified members should not post THEIR own nude pics because of age concerns, not because there is something wrong with posting the pics of a 30 yo celebrity who decided to make her nudity public.
Having decent history studies I can tell you that in all dictatures when the boss imposes a rule of censorship the mindless minions add new layers to it, making it even more unfair. They understand neither the reason nor the substance of that rule so they censor far wider than necessary, just to make sure. It's a ratchet mechanism. Then the rule will become the norm in the form decided by the minions, not the boss, and the boss will subsequently add a new layer to it, and the minions will add their own layer and so on. This is how Stasi or Securitate developed.