Im very confused on your post? Can I ask what is the big deal? Now any bathroom I was ever in had stalls. Are there none were you live? Now a mens room has a urinal, you think a woman is going to bend over to pee? If a man was in a women's restroom they are nothing but stalls?So this both side stuff isnt really true at all is it? You wouldnt call 911 if you ever saw someone crawling under the stall. No matter what gender, age or sex they are?This stuff is intentionally brought up, to manipulate people! It has no place even for debate, unless someone want to sound ignorant?Some men want to identify as women and want to be able to use spaces designed expressly for women. Such as toilets and changing rooms.A lot of women have a problem with this, as having a safe space for women and girls that are way from men. Such as toilets and changing rooms.Thats the debate, and neither side are ignorant about what they want.I have no issues with gender fluidity, be who you want to be. Just dont be a jerk about it. By that Im speaking as a father of daughters and now grand daughters, I dont want them frightened intentionally or not by men using these spaces.As to my toilet rebranding idea. Its a thought experiment I doubt it would ever be put into practice, but Im not really sure how you are confused. First you say all toilets have stalls, then you ask if women would have to use urinals. Why would they if every toilet has stalls? Is that clearer now?
Nope not clear at all........Sounds like you live in fear and watch Fox News? Your worried about things that dont exist. How many get arrested each year? Live in fear but dont sound like its happening every day every place. I had children also, yet when my little girl went to the bathroom I took her in the mens room. I as a small child my mom took me in the womens restroom. Yes you live in a world were your worried about some guy dressed like a woman watches someone put their makeup on? Its childish and silly. But most can see its more about finding the invisable boogie man or woman!
Nope not clear at all........Sounds like you live in fear and watch Fox News? Your worried about things that dont exist. How many get arrested each year? Live in fear but dont sound like its happening every day every place. I had children also, yet when my little girl went to the bathroom I took her in the mens room. I as a small child my mom took me in the womens restroom. Yes you live in a world were your worried about some guy dressed like a woman watches someone put their makeup on? Its childish and silly. But most can see its more about finding the invisable boogie man or woman!
I have no issues with gender fluidity, be who you want to be. Just dont be a jerk about It.
You must not have read that bit even though you quoted it.
We dont get Fox News over here, wouldnt watch it if we did. I dont live in fear, but I am aware of the debate and the strong feeling of both sides of it.
I want trans people to feel safe and not harassed, but I also dont want that to happen at the expense of women and girls not feeling safe or of being harassed. Can you understand that?
Nope not clear at all........Sounds like you live in fear and watch Fox News? Your worried about things that dont exist. How many get arrested each year? Live in fear but dont sound like its happening every day every place. I had children also, yet when my little girl went to the bathroom I took her in the mens room. I as a small child my mom took me in the womens restroom. Yes you live in a world were your worried about some guy dressed like a woman watches someone put their makeup on? Its childish and silly. But most can see its more about finding the invisable boogie man or woman!I have no issues with gender fluidity, be who you want to be. Just dont be a jerk about It.You must not have read that bit even though you quoted it.We dont get Fox News over here, wouldnt watch it if we did. I dont live in fear, but I am aware of the debate and the strong feeling of both sides of it.I want trans people to feel safe and not harassed, but I also dont want that to happen at the expense of women and girls not feeling safe or of being harassed. Can you understand that?
But its not a problem.....Not disagreeing but I can make stuff up also....We have people(US) that are getting harrased over these issues. A woman not looking femail enough gets told to use a mens room. There are stalls in all bathrooms! What in gods name are you so worried about? I dont have a opinion, its more like let people live. You see a problem call a cop? Is that hard to understand? Not once in my life has this ever been a problem or seen a problem...Creating things that dont exist and having a opinion is fucking strange man!
This is a very delicate issue and it's hard to have an objective conversation because usually people are too emotionally involved and they would rather respond with kneejerk reactions that actually consider what is being presented.
I personally don't care how you choose to identify, I'm not here to tell you how you should live your life. I've spent a lot of time exploring spirituality and psychonautics and have come to the conclusion that consciousness doesn't have or need a gender, gender belongs to the physical realm and to the mind and there are only 2 genders. I personally do not believe people are the wrong gender or that gender can be changed per se. I believe that transgender people have a hormone imbalance and that this should be addressed by giving them the hormone that corresponds to the body they were born in and there is a lot of manipulation of young minds going on. And I also have seen the work by Dr Shona Swan highlighting how endocrine disruptors are genuinely causing boys to be born undermasculinised and feminised. This is the part nobody wants to listen to!! People want to believe that it is 100% natural and normal when the reality is only a tiny % are actually naturally occuring. The explosion in the numbers mostly due to external factors over the years and the relentless indoctrination with no allowance for criticism or geuine debate has created a mass psychosis with people unable to comprehend what is actually being done in our society. I have a lot of sympathy and compassion for these people as they are clearly struggling with a lot of emotional and mental pressure and I'm not coming from a place of hate or any bad intention.
I feel that if people genuinely feel they are the wrong gender then by all means live your life that way but it's a 2 way street, trans want acceptance because they are different, I have no issue there, but you also have to accept that not everyone is going to accept something different and you have to allow space for them in the same way you're asking them to allow space for you. You can't just force these people to share their spaces with others because you 'feel' a certain way so my solution would be have a male toilet, a female toilet and a mixed toilet.
But that is where the debate gets a bit cloudy, is feeling something simply enough to say that you are that thing, if I feel like a black man and I say it over and over does that actually make me a black man? Shouldn't I be looking at what's causing me to feel this way? what's underneath all of it? Instead of trying to force my reality to fit into a mental image of how I want it to be? I totally accept that guys can have days when they feel more feminine and vice versa for women, but are those feelings proof that you're the wrong gender or is it more of a balancing out of energies within your complete person, as in, your energies fluctuate but your gender doesn't. I personally have been through phases where I've felt more feminine, especially after smoking certain strains of cannabis, but also when I take supplements to help with testosterone, my behaviour can become what would normally be considered more typically masculine.
If I see someone with breasts and a penis my thoughts are going to be 'that's a guy, he's obviously trans but it's a guy', I think the clothing acts like a mask, it's a layer to the facade, the illusion, it helps to cement it into the wearers mind that they are feminine but being femimine is not the same being female.
I think there is a misunderstanding of my original post.
Simply put, I feel as nudists/naturists gender should not exist if we truly accept everyone as they are. There are simply some nudists who have breasts, some have a penis. How masculine or feminine they act is irrelevant, as is their choice of intimate partners. Bathrooms and showers at nudist resorts and campgrounds should be unisex, as many are. Stalls with doors exist for those times that require privacy. Responsible adults protect innocent children when necessary.
That was my early experience with the nudist/ naturist community. What happened
I think there is a misunderstanding of my original post.Simply put, I feel as nudists/naturists gender should not exist if we truly accept everyone as they are. There are simply some nudists who have breasts, some have a penis. How masculine or feminine they act is irrelevant, as is their choice of intimate partners. Bathrooms and showers at nudist resorts and campgrounds should be unisex, as many are. Stalls with doors exist for those times that require privacy. Responsible adults protect innocent children when necessary.That was my early experience with the nudist/ naturist community. What happened
No misunderstanding.I feel as nudists/naturists gender should not exist if we truly accept everyone as they are.
You can't pretend gender doesn't exist simply because you want to play dress up or because you personally 'feel' something. gender is real, there are only 2 of them. The problem here is trans women are not 'truly' women and vice versa for trans men, and accepting this is just humouring them instead of getting them some proper help for their issues, ie, they are delusional because our society is being screwed with. I find a lot of people supporting trans actually want to have sex with a trans and are more focused on their own self interests than the actuall wellbeing of the people being maniulated into transitioning.
What happened? you ask. Our society has been messed with, our science and language bastardised to suit some liberal agenda that is being used a vehicle to push more and more degenerate behaviour and for some reason a large swathe of the population blindly go along wih it because they see themselves as morally righteous and think they have some divine right to force their ridiculous ideas and behaviours down everybody else's throats. You've all been had! that's what happened.
I think there is a misunderstanding of my original post.Simply put, I feel as nudists/naturists gender should not exist if we truly accept everyone as they are. There are simply some nudists who have breasts, some have a penis. How masculine or feminine they act is irrelevant, as is their choice of intimate partners. Bathrooms and showers at nudist resorts and campgrounds should be unisex, as many are. Stalls with doors exist for those times that require privacy. Responsible adults protect innocent children when necessary.That was my early experience with the nudist/ naturist community. What happenedNo misunderstanding.I feel as nudists/naturists gender should not exist if we truly accept everyone as they are.You can't pretend gender doesn't exist simply because you want to play dress up or because you personally 'feel' something. gender is real, there are only 2 of them. The problem here is trans women are not 'truly' women and vice versa for trans men, and accepting this is just humouring them instead of getting them some proper help for their issues, ie, they are delusional because our society is being screwed with. I find a lot of people supporting trans actually want to have sex with a trans and are more focused on their own self interests than the actuall wellbeing of the people being maniulated into transitioning.What happened? you ask. Our society has been messed with, our science and language bastardised to suit some liberal agenda that is being used a vehicle to push more and more degenerate behaviour and for some reason a large swathe of the population blindly go along wih it because they see themselves as morally righteous and think they have some divine right to force their ridiculous ideas and behaviours down everybody else's throats. You've all been had! that's what happened.
So you have never heard of a hermaphrodite? lol My God you need to read up on so many of Gods mistakes. Dont take it out on the victims!
What happened? you ask. Our society has been messed with, our science and language bastardised to suit some liberal agenda that is being used a vehicle to push more and more degenerate behaviour and for some reason a large swathe of the population blindly go along wih it because they see themselves as morally righteous and think they have some divine right to force their ridiculous ideas and behaviours down everybody else's throats. You've all been had! that's what happened.
I'm afraid that we'll have to agree to disagree. What some people call degenerate behavior is what other people call perfectly acceptable as long as it's with mutual consent. The fact that I shower and swim with naked women at resorts would have been grounds for humiliation at one time, but now it's simply the custom there, and I have no problem with it, even though simple public nudity is considered degenerate by some people.
When I swim, shower, or converse with trans people, I'm not concerned about what genitalia they sport or whether it's natural or surgically altered, because these things are of no importance to me. I only see a need for privacy where excretory functions are involved, but that has nothing to do with genitalia but the function itself.
As for who's being morally righteous and forcing ideas and behaviors down other people's throats, I see trans people as only asking others to accept them as God made them, without moral judgment. Trans people do have a divine right not to force their ideas and behavior on others, but to proclaim their ideas as legitimate concerns and ask for acceptance.
Science and language aren't the villains, because both of them have always changed, and will always change, to suit modern circumstances: science to accommodate better data, and language to express current thought. To resist change in these things is to try to command the tides of the ocean. Liberal agendas aren't doing the pushing, but only reflecting the reality of society changing.
What happened? you ask. Our society has been messed with, our science and language bastardised to suit some liberal agenda that is being used a vehicle to push more and more degenerate behaviour and for some reason a large swathe of the population blindly go along wih it because they see themselves as morally righteous and think they have some divine right to force their ridiculous ideas and behaviours down everybody else's throats. You've all been had! that's what happened.I'm afraid that we'll have to agree to disagree. What some people call degenerate behavior is what other people call perfectly acceptable as long as it's with mutual consent. The fact that I shower and swim with naked women at resorts would have been grounds for humiliation at one time, but now it's simply the custom there, and I have no problem with it, even though simple public nudity is considered degenerate by some people.When I swim, shower, or converse with trans people, I'm not concerned about what genitalia they sport or whether it's natural or surgically altered, because these things are of no importance to me. I only see a need for privacy where excretory functions are involved, but that has nothing to do with genitalia but the function itself.As for who's being morally righteous and forcing ideas and behaviors down other people's throats, I see trans people as only asking others to accept them as God made them, without moral judgment. Trans people do have a divine right not to force their ideas and behavior on others, but to proclaim their ideas as legitimate concerns and ask for acceptance.Science and language aren't the villains, because both of them have always changed, and will always change, to suit modern circumstances: science to accommodate better data, and language to express current thought. To resist change in these things is to try to command the tides of the ocean. Liberal agendas aren't doing the pushing, but only reflecting the reality of society changing.
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