Thank you for sharing this. I felt a wave of sadness reading it, not just for the departure of a valued member, but for the quiet fading of what this space used to represent.

I'm newer than some, but what drew me here wasnt attention or numbers it was the heart of true nudism: freedom, trust, body acceptance, and meaningful connection. Lately, Ive seen too many profiles that seem disconnected from that spirit. The shift is subtle, but real.

Your words reminded me of why I joined in the first place and why I still log in. Its up to each of us to hold space for what we do want here. To nudge, to speak up, to post more intentionally, and to support the real ones still showing up.

I dont have a master plan, but Im in. Lets preserve the kind of community where stories matter, kindness counts, and nudism isnt a costume for other motives.

Anyone else feeling this? I'd love to connect with others who care about the deeper meaning of this lifestyle.

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I genuinely want for the administrators of the website to share in the vision that many of us have.

This website meant a lot earlier to many more people, but with the changes to the internet in the USA and in the majority of nations in the world, if not the whole rest of the world, challenges are on the horizons.

The internet feels so much less safe with the forced age restrictions. Necessary in some people's minds, but they are not absolutely neccessary and are not the answer that guarantees the maintenance of the balance between privacy and security.

Zero-Knowledge proofs are able to work, should one find the ability to program them.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero-knowledge_proof

For reference, Wikipedia and the Wikimedia foundation are suing the UK Government over the mandated age-verification system forced onto users of Wikipedia by the website at the behest of the UK government.

Zero-Knowledge Proofs prove the same facts needed to be "verified" with "age verification systems" on the internet without invading on one's personal identity.

For real though, look at what happened to the Tea app!

Look at how bad it could be with that, and just imagine that to any website where you really do not know the founders of the website.

That is how I feel it really is that bad. I think this requires heavy assessment of where any website is inside the world.

Some say tea "is just the worst-case scenario."

I really think people need to not trust Google anymore at the surface level without at least a grain of salt. Ideally, no website should incorporate anything from Google, YouTube, Apple, Amazon, Microsoft, Facebook, Netflix, Hulu, ABC NBC CNN Warner-HBO-Discovery Verizon, or A.T.&T. or T. Mobile or Yahoo, Corporations. Not from any of those specifically, And they should not incorporate the share button from any of those companies or their "platforms."

Any website letting cookies be baked into the system really needs to change the website to a basic level to prevent cookies from scraping and stealing your web content automatically.

That is what I feel really is going on with the internet right now.

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Its sad to see such a valuable member leave their contributions were a big part of what made this place special. Youre right, the site feels like its drifting away from real nudist culture, and without active moderation or a push from the remaining community, itll keep slipping. Im with you lets keep sharing genuine nudist experiences, redirect those looking for the right vibe, and keep the spirit alive where we can. If enough of us speak up, maybe we can at least slow the decay. Count me in.

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Youre right, the site feels like its drifting away from real nudist culture, and without active moderation or a push from the remaining community, itll keep slipping. Im with you lets keep sharing genuine nudist experiences, redirect those looking for the right vibe, and keep the spirit alive where we can. If enough of us speak up, maybe we can at least slow the decay. Count me in.

Hi, I just thought I'd share a little bit more with the forum.

I hope this is relevant and is not bothering anyone.

Regarding the "real nudist" culture, much to blame for this is the lessening of the movements that brought naturism into existence, such as anarchist thought, responses from the mainstream traditions to anarchist thought, and liberal thought, and mainstream traditions responses to liberal thought, and socialist and left-wing responses to liberal thought and responses from socialists and the left-wing to anarchist thought.

At the heart of the ideology of Naturism, to quote, in french the Jean Jacques Rosseau Foundation, "Le fondateur du Naturianisme est mile Gravelle. N en 1855 Douai, il a quarante ans quand il cre ce mouvement. Il est alors artiste- peintre et dessinateur, et il a dcid de consacrer son art la cause anarchiste.""

(Etudes Jean-Jacques Rousseau Muse Jean-Jacques Rousseau - 1996 Le fondateur du Naturianisme est mile Gravelle. N en 1855 Douai, il a quarante ans quand il cre ce mouvement. Il est alors artiste- peintre et dessinateur, et il a dcid de consacrer son art la cause anarchiste." Retrieved 21 Aug 2025
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(English-language Wikipedia page: mile Gravelle. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%89mile_Gravelle. Retrieved 22 Aug 2025 )

This translates to the english words: "The founder of Naturianism is mile Gravelle. Born in 1855 in Douai, he was forty years old when he created this movement. He was then a painter and draughtsman, and he decided to devote his art to the anarchist cause.""

Much of the original French movement for Naturism was in reaction to the changes made to society in france during the later Industrial Era in the Nineteenth Century (Century 19 or XIX). These years, from 1870 to 1900, saw massive changes underway inside French Society and the nation's education systems.

Schools of thought and art emerged after the republic of France was re-established in the later industrial era of France. Movements in responses to the workers' conditions inside of French society in cities and workers' conditions of workers for the larger industrial agricultural farms inside France often lacked safety and security for the future of the workers in their society.

Out of creativity and longing for the connection to natural life inspired by people indigenous to the Americas, Africa, and the Pacific, in contrast to the "Mainstream Traditions," many indiviualists who were Anarchists chose to adapt naturism from the philosophies of freedom and the ideals of a freedom being denied by the State societies, many of whom were "Primitivist Anarchists," who wanted a way to acheive utopianism through radical eliminations of the Governments of State societies.

This was a fever pitch moment when the anarchists were dividing over collective anarchism and indiviualist anarchism, in the wake of the Paris Commune, led unofficially by several leaders but including Gustave Corbet, who painter of the painting L'Origine du monde. That painting was done in the realist style of art and was censored several times decades after being painted in 1866, with the most notable attempt by Facebook in 2011 when a Danish painter named Frode Steinicke shared it to Facebook.

The Paris commune, though many were anarchists, were generally agreed to have been one of the earliest uprisings involving Marxism. However, many anarchists at the time were divided after the wake of the rebellion. Most of the Collectivists, or Collectivist Left Anarchists, became sympathetic across Europe to Engels and Marx's ideas. Some later disavowed ideas borrowed from Marxism at later dates. Individualist anarchists on the other hand had more anti-state and more radically individualist and radically oriented to liberties and the concepts of human rights and individual liberties and rights. Many wanted to immediately dismantle the state and resort to primitivism, but the larger groups decided against the version of radical anarchism known as anarchist Primitivism.

Many of the Primitivists later abandoned, After World War One, the various ideas of the Primitivists, but some continued on even through the Spanish Civil War, most notably the French students of Gravelle named Henri Baylee and Henry Zisly, artists from France who wrote for several anarchist publications and served in the radical factions of the Anarchist groups inside the Spanish Civil War. Zisly's ideology, however, drifted further against the vegan factions of anarchists and against the Industrial Revolution and industrialism and progress and against civilization, which Zisly regarded as 'absurd, ignoble, and filthy.'

By Contrast, his cohort, Henri Baylee, went to Spain and remained loyal to Anarchist communism after the Spanish Civil War, and drifted further left as an anarchist-communist in Spain during World War II, until his death in 1945

Zisly himself also strongly defended nudism in the wake of the Spanish Civil War and during World War II, was anti-religious and advocated for a non-dogmatic lifestyle where adherence to "the laws of nature" was central, and where self-sufficiency, living according to limited needs, earlier environmentalism, and naturism and nudism was central to the philosophy of his ideology in his later life.

These generations were central to the foundation of Naturism as a philosophy. A lot of this came from a time of both tension and people expressing themselves in empowering manners. However, more nuance was given in the heavy debating and ideological and academic debates going on at the time. This likely was because, during the scientific revolution, many of the older western nations were inside the largest academic breakthroughs in physics, chemical sciences, techonology, engineering, and philosophies of nature and life sciences. Many of these schools in the western nations encouraged open debate. They gathered information from various sources including the verification or disproving of conflicting sources. They encouraged in many nations critical thinking over ideologies. They valued the complete re-working of the individual, and not every university in the western nations have continued these academic traditions. They did not work on clickbait like younger students do today!

Many universities today stifle thought and develop false narratives taught out of fear, but not all of the nations' universities are being overcome by false narratives taught out of fear.

People should live boldly to do research on life. Life is so precious because this version of it lasts only once, unless a different version of life happens after the end of time. In several Western nations, most physical scientists doubts over claims of an after-life or of a re-structuring of the universe where life is re-incarnated, and in several of these nations most life scientists and biochemistry professors doubt the existence of the possibility of people coming to life.

Many people in many nations value their time and value their life because only one version of it exists to be grateful and appreciative of it in and of itself.

They live with a positive outlook on life because it could have been much worse. For instance, you could have just been ended up becoming just a bacteria or gas in outerspace or a rock on earth and never been made alive in the first place, a theme central to the film "Everything Everywhere All At Once."

I almost never think like that, but I have insight as to why many people have those thoughts as their only philosophy, it is because of the uncertainty that some people have about the existence of a deity, and the idea that says "If he isn't personal and only sets up the laws of physics, why believe in him?"

My philosophy is this "If you believe in a deity, you'll know that this is more than just physics. It is you shaping your own destiny with something that is greater than you. It is your job to work on your own journey with the forces that be, and that those forces compose into your relationship to the deity. There are hints that there is some force behind the universe, but orderly, and not proven to inherently be intelligent in and of themselves. So that force upholds the universe, and that is what can be seen with awe or understood as being the Higher Power or powers behind us and our lives."

And though there are others who hold debates about God, what we need to do is to do the work we want to do to "Be the change we wish to see in the world" as Ghandi said.

I suppose that makes me somewhat of a transcendentalist of some sort. That is how I view the debates around physics and nature.

Some of which might have ties to God, but Hawking himself believed in Physics, like a force or group of fundamental forces. He didn't express the need to believe in god, and spoke against any personal Gods.

I have some views about Hawking, so I am conflicted with what he said about life, but I do not disagree with his arguements about physics.

There are some things that are universal, and he described physics as a set of universal laws and some special cases that required more research. But most of physics was described by his books as being based on the fundamental forces according to several branches of physics.

He described there being several laws, not all of them, being the fundamental buiding blocks of the universe, along with energy, matter, and spacetime. He believed the universe came out of nothing, but did not need a prior force or a fundamental creator, and that it began with a big physics formation of matter from energy, and spacetime that began the expansion of cosmology.

The fundamental ideas of Hawking concerning nature is that "Physics are so powerful and beautiful that it doesn't require a God or personal Gods." I have some ideas about that concept that might be contradictory, so I will not elaborate further about my own beliefs.

The point of recognizing the beliefs of Hawking was to see that there are physicists who justify the radical relationship between man and nature that come from what is called philosophical naturalism. That is the idea that nature and man is all that there is.

Some of this informs my worldview, but again I see some contradictions in what I have seen, so I will not elaborate on my opinions further here.

Support from naturism and nudism often comes from philosophical naturalism or thought reacting to philosophical naturalism, but a few religions also adjoin to the naturist movements.

Some of them exist in Hindu movements, some in progressive Jewish religions, others inside progressive and Roman Catholic Christianity, and a faction of some groups inside of the conservative protestants. But it really is not about all conservatism, and actually usually is based in progressive and Freedom-sensitive and Liberal sensibilities.

Much of naturism is governed like it was in the liberal post-war eras in the western nations after the United States-Vietnam War era, when progressivism took strides in democratic elections in most western nations in the 1970s and 1980s.

But many people in the United States have suffered since at least 1977 when Jimmy Carter took office and liberalized the welfare state in the United States, only to see austerity destroy in in the 1995 welfare reform bills in Congress in 1995.

After that, rather quickly, the internet destroyed the welfare state system in the Federal Government in the United States, only to see Bush make further destruction as a wrecking ball with "No Child Left Behind" and the Iraq War Era policies of the Bush Administration in the Presidents of the United States.

As a Strong-Executive Presidential System, the USA has fallen behind since Jimmy Carter's era of liberal reforms to the welfare system, and further has suffered under Trump and his First Term policies and his Second Term policies, including during the rebuilding efforts that failed to materialize better hope for the Americans during the Obama and Biden Adiministrations.

First-Past-The-Post Voting, Redistricting efforts by Republicans to rigg the elections in their favor by the flaws in the current electoral system, the lack of Open-List Party-List Proportional Representation with multi-member constituencies with Approval Voting allotment of votes and the use of either the Saint-League Method or the D'Hondt Method for election thresholds, the unusual usage of Majority vote voting thresholds for counting elections everywhere in the United States among Western Democracies, and the usage of the voting system to dis-favor minor political parties and minority ideologies, where they don't even count, all tilt the balance in favor of the Far-Right and Far-Right members of the Republican Party due to structural deficiencies in the Electoral System.

The less Americans and other nations' citizens are aware of this, the less well off we all are and the more the poorest Americans remain neglected by their government and by the systems of diplomacy.

Including the absence of International Laws being made enforcable caused by the refusal of the USA government to be party to the Rome Statute or several other important international laws, Americans are facing a government that lacks accountability!

And no, Democrats and the mainstream communist parties will not fix it, because many communists and democrats are the faulty products of an eduction system that will not solve the problems it is supposed to relieve from the residents of the United States in the education system in public education, and it has always been dominated by the propaganda and political narratives of the two main political parties! Both Democrats and Republicans censor and hate the Palestinians! Even many of the major communist parties, especially including Communist Party USA, fall for Democrat propaganda about other countries and these other nations' system of government. Many people, even in communist parties, are infiltrated and propagandized by the Democratic Party Leadership's establishments and the Department of Justice to fall in line with the government and party-line propaganda and force them to water down whatever ideologies they have!

Many leaders in both the Republican and Democratic parties push the leadership narratives pushed out by party leadership that phases out other non-mainstream ideologies, including communists inside of the two parties, and punishment intra-party for dis-loyalty to either party's leadership is harsh, especially if speaking out against official narratives or questioning the system!

This is the lesson that we need in America, to trust in each other and to trust that democratic deliberative western-style democracy works, and that we need more democratic and representative and deliberative and participatory versions of it, not less of it!

Israel is committing Genocide against Palestinians since 1948, PR China is committing Genocide against Uyghurs and Tibetans since 1948 and 1965 or earlier, Russia is committing Genocide in Ukraine since 2014. And DPRK is committing genocide against dissidents since 1948, and Rwanda is committing war crimes in Congo again since 2022! And across the world, there are places where Democracy is dying. But Democracy is not dead yet. But it will be hurt globally by the Trump Administration. People need to stand up for adherence to "the laws of nature" as Zisly said once.

Also, the Online Safety Bill in the United Kingdom is pro-censorship and Fascist dogwater. I reccommend this website not use the ID companies put out in the UK on UK or other countries' users against their common sense. This website just needs Zero-Knowledge Proofs under a system verifying it with cryptographic zero-knowledge proof, among other forms, including using Zilch framework for Zero-Knowledge proofs

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero-knowledge_proof

They just need Captchas, and maybe allow non-certified to post photos but not to post nudist photos if they aren't certified, but certification shouldn't have to require an ID, it should just require a Zero-Knowledge Proof and the old print-out system they used to have, and maybe credit card number to process payments before certification. Only paid members should be allowed to be certified, but it would be very nice if they could get away with letting free members be certified. They probably will not do it if spammers abuse the site, but this really should not be our problem, it is their problem for not moderating the site in a profitable web-based business model as a company or as a social company or as a non-profit site if they do not operate as a for-profit business.

To answer that question, "What is the right vibe?" , It is to have freedom and compassion for the people who feel this website satisfies their artistic and other expression, but not to let the spammers post photos without approval, and for the approval system to be manual, and not automatic. And ideally that also could amount to measures including the blocking of access to the site from a small number of very badly governed nations that do not fit the vibes of Freedom in their government and their culture of governance, which has to be developed by an active state. However, the USA where the owners are based could count as one of those countries, so many people will view this site as more hypocritical if they do that, so I am not in favor of it unless someone talks openly about these things openly from within the company to the users of this website. A few come to mind, Belarus, Russia, Israel, North Korea, Eritrea, Myannmar, Syria, but I really wish they can use the site except Belarus Russia and North Korea and Israel right now. I think we would look hypocritical as Americans to block the accesss to the site if we don't block the Americans' access to the site. And the UK is actively sueing and shutting down and fining sites who don't comply with requirements for the OSA in the UK, so we need this site to eventually block access from the UK so it doesn't comply and doesn't get fined or shut down or sued by the UK government, but I do not expect that from happening because progress on this site is worsening over time.

At the end of the day, on this site, I really am just glad I have a platform that I can access, where most of my writings do not get shut down, like some of my other writings on this website were shut down or removed from this website. But there are challenges facing the use of this website that do bother me. I do not wish any of them onto the other users of the site, but I am not the boss at this site. I have tried to contact the admins on this site but they seem to have dipped out of this website for some reason. I tried talking to the other admin that recently joined, and that was just deleted a few weeks ago along with the admin's posts.

These are some thoughts I have. I have a right to express myself under Freedom Of Expression under the First Amendment to the USA Constitution.

Sorry that this was harder to unify without a smaller summary, I just wanted to comb through the nuances that have come to my mind over the past few days.

Thank you for your time if you read this far.

Take care. Good Day.

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