YOUNGBIMALE, I do not disagree with what you have posted, and yes in many ways things have changed, I do however wonder by your comment that respect is earned, true, but does that mean until someone earns your respect you are entitled to disrespect them? Just curious, I was raised to respect people until they give you reason to not, not the other way around.
Princedale, you're asking ybm about something he knowsnothing of. If you look back at any of his posts on here, he shows nothing but contempt for any decent member of society. All of his posts are antagonistically motivated, as will be his reply to this one. He knows no other way in which to express himself.
I guess if you consider disagreeing with someone being an antagonist... then yes my posts are antagonizing. One thing I actually agree with NIM on, lack of respect does not equal disrespect. It also bears mentioning that what is deemed respectful is based upon personal opinion. There are people who feel that if you don't actively acknowledge their beliefs (Christians arguing against things like the removal of the ten commandments from government properties) that you are disrespecting them. There are people who feel like if you actively acknowledge certain things on someone (telling someone they look fat or asking them how they lost their arm) that you are being disrespectful. I guess I would ask you how my post was antagonizing? Did I... call you stupid? Did I... say that my view was infinitely better than yours? Did I... call you any names? All I did... was disagree with you. If that's all it takes to be considered disrespectful... well it's no surprise you consider society thusly.
You say respect was given... but I would argue that. What your talking about is a basic level of respect that is granted to all individuals... but we know that that isn't the case. The generation you spoke of would have opened the door for a woman sooner than a man, and an older man sooner than a child... it was subjective to what people of that time found important... which is entirely my point. Society changes, that subjective part... continues to be subjective to what TODAY'S society deems important, not what yesterday's did. In all honesty, if any "respect" has been lost, it's been for people who use fear as a motivator. I mean listen to the stories of the parents of yesteryear. You did what they told you or else physical harm was the result, so you respected them out of fear of physical harm not because they provided for you or helped build your self-esteem or taught you valuable lessons, and oftentimes that wasn't real respect that was clamming up and avoiding a beating.
YOUNGBIMALE, I do not disagree with what you have posted, and yes in many ways things have changed, I do however wonder by your comment that respect is earned, true, but does that mean until someone earns your respect you are entitled to disrespect them? Just curious, I was raised to respect people until they give you reason to not, not the other way around.
Princedale, you're asking ybm about something he knowsnothing of. If you look back at any of his posts on here, he shows nothing but contempt for any decent member of society. All of his posts are antagonistically motivated, as will be his reply to this one. He knows no other way in which to express himself.
I guess if you consider disagreeing with someone being an antagonist... then yes my posts are antagonizing. One thing I actually agree with NIM on, lack of respect does not equal disrespect. It also bears mentioning that what is deemed respectful is based upon personal opinion. There are people who feel that if you don't actively acknowledge their beliefs (Christians arguing against things like the removal of the ten commandments from government properties) that you are disrespecting them. There are people who feel like if you actively acknowledge certain things on someone (telling someone they look fat or asking them how they lost their arm) that you are being disrespectful. I guess I would ask you how my post was antagonizing? Did I... call you stupid? Did I... say that my view was infinitely better than yours? Did I... call you any names? All I did... was disagree with you. If that's all it takes to be considered disrespectful... well it's no surprise you consider society thusly.
You say respect was given... but I would argue that. What your talking about is a basic level of respect that is granted to all individuals... but we know that that isn't the case. The generation you spoke of would have opened the door for a woman sooner than a man, and an older man sooner than a child... it was subjective to what people of that time found important... which is entirely my point. Society changes, that subjective part... continues to be subjective to what TODAY'S society deems important, not what yesterday's did. In all honesty, if any "respect" has been lost, it's been for people who use fear as a motivator. I mean listen to the stories of the parents of yesteryear. You did what they told you or else physical harm was the result, so you respected them out of fear of physical harm not because they provided for you or helped build your self-esteem or taught you valuable lessons, and oftentimes that wasn't real respect that was clamming up and avoiding a beating.
Yes as I just said, allybm's posts are antagonistically motivated and his next reply to me would be.
I rest my case, he will never grow out ofhis childish behaviour. There IS no hope for such people.
YBM, the song you referenced is "The living years" by Mike and the Mechanics and it captures the essence of today's challenges. The world is ever changing and some people have a real problem with thet. They would prefer to stagnate and die rather than accept the new world. Granted not everything changes for the better, but to deny progress because it isn't perfect really doesn't move us forward.
It seems that as some people age they forget that at one time they were the snot nosed kids who questioned authority, wanted to know why we "had" to do things a certain way and challenged the status quo. Now that they're the ones being challenged, they don't like it.
As the song says, EVERY generation blames the one before. It's the constant striving to make things better that brought us from rubbing two sticks together to where we are today. Some will try to stop the world from turning, but they'd have more success spitting into the wind.
engaging in discussion and offering a differing viewpoint so we can better understand each other is antagonizing? right... so if i'm following that correctly... disagreeing with you = disrespect? And doing so without insult... that's a step further towards disrespect? I'm trying not to sound condescending... but do you realize what you're saying right now? BTW if you could actually address me and not speak of me like I'm the topic, I would consider that much more respectful, as do most. I've presented points and instead of addressing them and speaking of why they're wrong, as is popular in civil discussion, you're focusing on the individual. I'd say something like "no wonder NIM liked what you have to say" but then that'd be focusing on a person, and it's irrelevant to the conversation.
So I'll try again... how have I been disrespectful in this thread? The text is still there, feel free to quote it if you need... but help me understand... what exactly in what I've said is disrespectful? Spell it out for me, because I really don't understand what issue you're seeing.
Personlly every person starts with an A+ with me so to speak, its for those individuals to maintain that. All of us are students of our environment no matter race, age or sex. History has proven that, which is why we are where we are as apeople today.(good/bad) Yes there is a definite disconnect of the "good old days" and the multi media driven society of today. The Good ole days is different depending who you talk to but regardless manners are a simple concept. By the way you didn't have to be born back then to know the good and the bad of back then, between books and the Internet anyone with a library card or a computer can read about the past. So age is irrelevant to building a better society it will take everyone. I applaud you youngbimale for being aware of our history and voicingyour OPINION. I would just say toyou have faith in better days, because thru all the adversity of the world there has been a many great man and women still doing the right thing.
LOL... YBM you were in no way disrespectful in my opinion. What tends to happen in most these forums, is when someone doesn't like what you have to say they call you names or accusing you of being something your not. I assume the fact that your a young adult that communicates the facts well about some peoples "hay day" may be received as offensive if not disrespectful.
Keep doing you!
Actually, I blame Reagan and he neo-cons he begat.
That's the only part of your post I can disagree with at all.
I blame the Clintons, especially her.Conservative Republican rule has been nothing but "I got mine, bugger all else."
Unfortunately, the most recent examples of Repubs, ( current and previous administration ) that seems absolutely true.It's why after 26 years of having been a registered Republican from when I turned 18, I cast off political parties as inherently anti-American and became an independent.
Well, I've never been a registered anything but independant.
Even more unfortunate, it seems today, the only anyone who wishes to run for anything are phsycopaths of some sort.
They all seem to see nothing wrong with hurting anyone and everyone in their own personal pursuit of absolute power.
OK OK OK folks. The point should be made that generalization or sterotyping is dangerous and often leads to disrespect for persons undeserving of it.All are deserving of respect until proven otherwise.
All nudists are sexual perverts?(NOT) All whites are superior, more intelligent, and more productive?(NOT) The younger generation are all going down the tubes? (NOT) The old folks just don't know what is going on? (NOT). Mouslams are terrorists (NOT)
I very much lament the disrespect of a lot of todays folks of all ages, races, and creeds. Try to park so that the next guy can open his doors... just courteous. Nodding or otherwise acknowledging someones presence when you walk by is just nice. Putting you cell phone on vibrate while in talking with a business man, physician, at church etc. is just respectful of the other persons time and sanctity. Keeping the noise level down at night or in a hospital is respectful courteous and nice.
I do think that general courtesy or call it respect, is less today than it was. I did not say "Youth" I said today. It just doesn't seem to be at this time. The fast, me first, get what I can before someone else, get that last peice... etc. seems to be the norm. I don't like taking the last peice of cake or anything else... someone is missing out because of me. Its silly, but it is a concern for the other guy.
I'm still courteous to stop when I hear someone talking next to me in the hallway... only to find he is talking on his blue tooth equipped cell phone, oblivious to my presence (notice no reference to age of either party). I still feel affronted when I as a physician am talking to a patient and his cell phone rings and he interupts talking with me to answer something more important. I often walk out and leave him to his privacy!
OK my two cents. But, I felt we are getting a little off topic from the original post. We were talking about overall courtesy and respect not the evils of past, present, and future societies.
Rocky
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