"Revolutionary Nudism" by E. Armand
I want to share "Revolutionary Nudism" by French anarchist Emile Armand.
E. Armand writes:
"...nudism is, individually and collectively, among the most potent means of emancipation. It seems to us to be something else entirely than a hygienic fitness exercise or a naturist renewal. For us, nudism is a revolutionary demand. Revolutionary in a triple sense: affirmation, protest, liberation."
To be naked is to be treated as a fellow human being equal to all others, rather than as someone whose power and respect is demanded from others because they happen to wear a particular form of clothing.
"Let us imagine the general, the bishop, the ambassador, the academic, the prison guard, the warden naked. What would be left of their prestige, of the authority delegated to them? The rulers know this well, and this is not the least of the motives for their hostility to nudism."
I think this article makes for valuable reading and insight into nudism being not just as a personal comfort choice or a way to feel more connected to nature and others - though such reasons are absolutely valid and worth recognizing and respecting - but also as a revolutionary symbol that questions the true value of someone's authority or assertion for what is to be considered "acceptable" or "obscene" or "harmful", that we are told to respect because they have a badge or suit on them.
It's only a few paragraphs, so go read it.
Yes. Some huge similarities to my beliefs. A lotta what I know about nudism comes from excerpts from Revolutionary Nudism by Armand.
That book is really good for schools of thought like the anarchist nudist school of thought.
Try to read it if you can find it. Just try to go to Google books if it is on there. Or just find it at a bookstore or library if you can find it.
I have only read excerpts from it, but I have seen the name of that book and the author before, which is so refreshing to see folks bring up the name on here. I might try to read it a soon as possible.
Good stuff folks. good stuff.
Thanks.
And Deschenes, the host of Bare Oaks podcast from the Bare Oaks nudist club in canada is very clear to make that point online and offline about clothes, it is a tool of oppression. Very good arguements from Armand's writing and from Deschenes' podcast.
Everyone on here should take a look at it if they can.
What an interesting insight. I agree with the view of total or highest level of emancipation ideology.
But I draw the line on clothing being tools of aggression. The book "Lord of the flies" defines why we as a community have to elect or promote people to certain roles. Without order we have disorder. The need for the roles of 'aggression' are bought about by our own behaviour whether we are clothed or not.
You only have to observe the behaviour of many males at or near CO beaches to understand that even the nude community, and even if the entire population was nude, to understand why rules and people to enforce them would be and is entirely necessary.
What an interesting insight. I agree with the view of total or highest level of emancipation ideology.But I draw the line on clothing being tools of aggression. The book "Lord of the flies" defines why we as a community have to elect or promote people to certain roles. Without order we have disorder. The need for the roles of 'aggression' are bought about by our own behaviour whether we are clothed or not.You only have to observe the behaviour of many males at or near CO beaches to understand that even the nude community, and even if the entire population was nude, to understand why rules and people to enforce them would be and is entirely necessary.
Yes.
Stephene Deschenes, the host of the Bare Oaks' "Naturist Living Show," often tries to point out that "behavior is the same, whether you are clothed or not." That is him telling the truth certainly.
People's individual aggression is not the reason we need to wear clothes.
We have nothing to lose by shedding clothing, all to gain by shedding clothing.
Remember, I said "oppression" and not "aggression" in that sentence. The main point is simply that the oppression is the same, whether you are clothed or nude, meaning that clothes are just a veil often used by non-nudists to cover-up their own behavior through social masking.
And their aggresion usually is the same aggression clothed or not, every single time, every single day.
Yes, clothing makes it easier to hide their beliefs and behavior than to be open and transparent.
We have nothing to lose being nudists, we have everything to gain by being nudists.
The police have all the power to surveill and oppress us, but we excuse it by letting them hide what they believe behind authority.
Their authority is a vehicle of oppression, and they are eroding the first amendment federally and in the states in government in the United States of America.
That is what I specifically am talking about, the abuses of authority and the suppression of freedom and equality. That is what I always look to avoid, the oppression and repression, since that is one of the components of these bad people's aggression. I try to call that out on this website and in protest in public, when I go to protest in public areas wherever and whenever I can.
Everyone should read Revolutionary Nudism by Armand.
It is often said as a directive to each audience member of the Naturist Living Show Podcast from Canada, "Free Your Body Free Your Mind."
I also always try, finally, to say "Get Up,Stand up, Stand up for your rights. Get up, Stand up, Don't give up the fight!"
I listen to that song and a few other songs from that time as well.
What an interesting insight. I agree with the view of total or highest level of emancipation ideology.But I draw the line on clothing being tools of aggression. The book "Lord of the flies" defines why we as a community have to elect or promote people to certain roles. Without order we have disorder. The need for the roles of 'aggression' are bought about by our own behaviour whether we are clothed or not.You only have to observe the behaviour of many males at or near CO beaches to understand that even the nude community, and even if the entire population was nude, to understand why rules and people to enforce them would be and is entirely necessary.Yes.Stephene Deschenes, the host of the Bare Oaks' "Naturist Living Show," often tries to point out that "behavior is the same, whether you are clothed or not." That is him telling the truth certainly.People's individual aggression is not the reason we need to wear clothes.We have nothing to lose by shedding clothing, all to gain by shedding clothing.Remember, I said "oppression" and not "aggression" in that sentence. The main point is simply that the oppression is the same, whether you are clothed or nude, meaning that clothes are just a veil often used by non-nudists to cover-up their own behavior through social masking.And their aggresion usually is the same aggression clothed or not, every single time, every single day.Yes, clothing makes it easier to hide their beliefs and behavior than to be open and transparent.We have nothing to lose being nudists, we have everything to gain by being nudists.The police have all the power to surveill and oppress us, but we excuse it by letting them hide what they believe behind authority.Their authority is a vehicle of oppression, and they are eroding the first amendment federally and in the states in government in the United States of America.That is what I specifically am talking about, the abuses of authority and the suppression of freedom and equality. That is what I always look to avoid, the oppression and repression, since that is one of the components of these bad people's aggression. I try to call that out on this website and in protest in public, when I go to protest in public areas wherever and whenever I can.Everyone should read Revolutionary Nudism by Armand.It is often said as a directive to each audience member of the Naturist Living Show Podcast from Canada, "Free Your Body Free Your Mind."I also always try, finally, to say "Get Up,Stand up, Stand up for your rights. Get up, Stand up, Don't give up the fight!"I listen to that song and a few other songs from that time as well.
Hi Vince - you did say oppression whereas I said aggression. I guess when you consider the unform of an army it could have the shift from oppression to aggression.
The fundamental reasons we have armies is to protect 'what we have' . They were first formed tribally around the production of food sources. Farming and storing grain especially. But the shift came over the last six centuries or so to using the army to attain, aggressively, what other people have. Thats a very long way of saying that a behaviour by a society (farming and storing food) created yet another need (an armed force) and again that need would be warranted even if the entire population was nude.
After all there are still indigenous peoples around the world that live fundamentally nude and they still have the need for rules and some sense of order and authority.
I find way too many people on here have this ultrasonic belief that living nude will solve everything.
Perhaps so. After all, The living without clothes never solves the solution for the question "how do we handle ourselves and others when living in a society overall??"
Several people answer these questions differently.
Anarchist say that living without clothes is the only way, along with anarchism, to solve all problems.
Yes, that generally is not true. It potentially helps some things, but only in certain contexts.
Several people think about the ways to live, and produce pamphlets and articles online about how to live. These methods do not always solve everything under the "do it yourself mentality."
Others, now, however, say that ""Socialism is the only answer, and it only is found in Marx exclusively.""
This works for some societies, including the government societies in those nations that are run by governments that are officially communist and among the others that are socialist states without being a communist state ((Like Eritrea, Like Western Sahara.)) Problem is most people do not want to be marxist or live in a one-party state in some places like the United States, so it will never apply to all consenting adults in those places, since not all of the adults in those places universally want it and will likely flee if the state becomes explicitly Communist in those nations that are not yet Both Communist And Marxist.
And, likely, there will be resistance to Communism wherever it goes, even inside communist states, unless severe repression against the opponents of communism increases dramatically and the free internet as we know it is destroyed.
Lastly, the last category of people, are the people who want to do the correct and moral thing, and see through rationalist science what works and what does not through the rationalist scientific methods of inquiry.
Some people think they are in this category, but are not. But it always is the case that if someone tries to look for what works and what does not all the time with rationalist scientific methods of inquiry, then anyone will eventually find the right path and the right groups of things to do, morally, psychologically, and mentally and physically, to do whatever anyone wants to do, and to figure out how to want to do the right things.
Simple as that, and I do not add information and I never subtract information from the science. Science is agnostic to certain questions that are irrational and un-answerable, so I do not pretend like I know all the answers.
Now, to the original question.
As to whether nudism helps, it really depends on what you make of it, but some of it helps some time, and some times it really does not help.
I agree that there are such things as bad nudity.
Of course, bad nudity needs to be addressed directly, and people need to remain sane and rational, and not expect all people to immediately guess up the correct approaches as to how to be a nudist, so education is the most important thing to being a nudist person.
Of course, in the past, I had a less rationalistic view. I now see myself as being a rationalist, so I rely on scientific reasoning.
So, I think that there are different contexts for nudity. Nudity is just so hard to deal with for many people, so I do not get naked in public in front of everyone in most places.
Where I do go to nudist places, it really is not about sex, since everyone always trys to enforce a non-sexual nudist environment, at a naturist community several dozen miles in another state of the United States of America. I live in Mississippi, but Mississippi has a terrible track record regarding restrictions on nudism, so I visit the New Orleans area of Lousiana and go visit the nudist location there.
Of course, that does not automatically stop some people from being rude people over there, but there are people who try to take care of it among the ownership of the site on-site at the location there.
There usually are codes of conduct for nudist locations, and the codes of conduct are usually set up by advocacy and non-profit groups who usually set up the codes of conduct to protect the community and keep the community safe and secure.
They usually base the codes of conduct off evidence that is already proven, but some make mistakes.
People should rightly call out the mistakes that people writing codes of conduct make, so it is reasonable to have directed channelled frustration at the specific mistakes people make that already are proven to be incorrect mistakes and glaring obvious errors. Of course that would frustrate anyone.
I have not yet come across any mistakes yet, and I trust most nudists. The issues are more accelerated with social media giving more attention now because we all have smartphones in society at large in most nations of the world now.
But again, this is my experience, I have had some good experiences with naturists and naturism wherever I go to practice naturism. I have not had any awefully bad experinces yet.
Oh, and I am not naturismRE or vince from naturismRE.
I am someone else who hand-types every message I get here.
Thanks for reading.
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