fakes, frauds, and freaks
Here is a question for everyone, something I don't understand. Most "real" nudists here do not like having, lets keep it to people misrepresenting themselves, here. I can understand the owner wanting to keep the numbers up, but for members, why is it that many chose not to say anything about them? Yes, it is hard, if not impossible, to 100% prove someone is misrepresenting themselves, but even in a court of law you aren't required to prove something 100%. If someone suspects someone, would it not be better to mention it ? If someone is accused, they would still have a chance to offer up some type of evidence that they are not. Their may be a few hurt feelings, but only at the start. I thinksome "honest" nudists, if "called out" , might be upset at first, but after some thought would be glad that it's happening since it helps , and only helps, to clean up the room, and the site overall. If it's done in a civil manner it would be a good thing. Yes, some would be uncivil about it, nasty things flying around, but really, most nudists are fairly level headed and would not over react. I know some will say something about the cert process "' weeding out" the fakes, but honestly, the current cert process makes it easier for " less then Honest" nudist up to no good. It seem many "honest" nudists are leaving the site due to this issue, and that is sad indeed. A few may ask how someone could prove they are a nudist, well thats not all that hard really, you may not remove all suspicions someone may have, but most. Going on cam to show your face proves at least that your male of female. You would not need to do this every time, or to everyone, a few well respected nudists in the room stating they have seen your face would be helpful, perhaps showing a mod at different times so one would not feel it was staged. . Speaking for myself, I don't really by the " I don't have a cam " story. Hard to swallow especially if someone is on a laptop. Home computer, well you can get an inexpensive cam for less then 30 bucks. Anyone here ever know an adult with a hobby then didn't spend at least that amount on? Here is a second option, go meet some other nudists from here. Very few live less then a few hours drive away from either a resort, beach, non landed group, or another nudist. Arrange a safe meeting place, a netural safe site, and meet. If more people were "called out" so to speak, more would be encouraged to do that, well I would think they would. It may not be something you can do with a very short notice, then again, why would you wait till it happened to put something together.There is not perfect system, but as with many other groups, it's up to the members what type of group we have. Nudists have a bad name to start with, not caring what type of site this is doesn't help matters. Why join AANR to support nudism, or any group like that, when you are really doing more damage then what the amount you give to is supporting. Challenge people,ask questionsof people. If someone is making "pervie"type comments, make it public. NOONE is asking forID at the door, and well behaved people are not going to be thrashed. Most nudistswould use common sense in "calling out " someone. Give areason. A person that has a private profile, hundreds of friends, never post to the forum or chats in the room, even though they are in the room daily, suspect them, inquire about it, encourage others to.A fast moving room is not a reason to never say anything, you may be slow at typing, but you can type, so talk. Suspect private profiles, or ones that contain no real info. No one is asking for an address or phone number, name a state, a general part of the State, Southern Cal, Northern Arizona. There is no reason someone can not share some general info.Suspect "female" profiles that only want to talk to other females. Use some common sense, yes, some women would perfer to talk to other women, but this is a chat room. You don't need to talk to everyone, but there should be a mix. A again, there is no valid reason not to chat openly in the room, not if your an honest person.And I'm sorry, but some of the ones that say they are from India, does their story make sense? They will say they can't go on cam due to laws in their country, but have nude photos. Really? If they can find the cam they have found the photos, so that just does not wash. The first, to see you cam, or your pics, they are on the site, if they are here, they found you, and cams, pics, or not, you have been busted. Remember folks, they don't have the same legal system as most places, just being found here would be enough.Well thats my rant for the day. I just feel it's up to the members to help keep or make this the type of site they want. Allowing people you strongly suspect to stay, with out saying anything is just as bad as inviting them in yourself.
Evan-here,
I understand where you are coming from but you will never find what you are looking for online. Yes, the management of this site could do more to clean things up but they don't want to. In days gone by, TT1 maintained a blog to update people with what was going on. He no longer communicates regularly (and hasn't for years) and we have no idea if he hears our suggestions, wants to act on them or even cares one way or the other. There are loads of profiles here that have been inactive for three or four years but have not been archived because they keep the numbers up. This site does not have 100,000 plus members. I couldn't even begin to guess how many active members there are but I'd think a more realistic number is in the hundreds or low thousands.
As for lurkers in chat ... sure ... they exist ... but it's also a crappy chat program. When I log in I am often receiving private messages from three or four, or more, people at once and it is not possible to chat in room AND keep more than one or two private chats going. And, of course, if you choose to chat in the main room and ignore those private chat requests now you are "stuck up" and "ignoring single males" as I have seen lamented in the forums. It's a no-win situation.
All we can really do is ignore the bad things, enjoy the good things and move on. And for those out there who are a bit obsessed with privacy, well you might want to reconsider posting anything anywhere on the internet. There is no true privacy on the internet.
If you want to meet "true" nudists your best best is to wander down to the nearest nude beach or club. Enjoy the internet but take everything you read with a grain of salt. This is NOT the real world ... and never will be a replacement for just getting out there.
Okay ... I'll get off my soap box now. That's my own rant for the day.
Stay nekkid everyone!
Karen
No, it is not solely up to TT1, while he may be the only on with the power to expel people, it's up to the members to determine the path it takes. If you lived in a ghetto would you say it's up to the city to fix it? It's up to the police to stop all the crime, it's up to the city to clean the streets and provide well lit streets so why get involved? It's the same with anything, or place, if you want a nice place, work to make it that way. He is one man, and it's a bussiness for him, and he hasn't shown much interest in the quaility of the site for quite some time. Lets give him the benifit of doubt here, if the members show no interest in cleaning up the site, should he? If you were him would you? Perhaps is the users of the site showed more interest as a whole, he would. Many of us here have been nudists for a long time, been to resorts, beachs, clubsor have joineda non landed group. But what of the others who haven't. Ones that are curious about it, but unsurepartly due to the bad rap that many give nudism, happen to come here and what do they see?Can we make this a perfect site, no, nothing is perfect, but can we improve it, yes. As to whatI am looking for here,thats easy,honest nudists, good chat, and when lucky, wefindfellow nudists that one day we may meet. We have met with several from here. We,the wife and myself, have been visiting resorts, meeting with non landed groups, and supportingAANR for quite some time. Let me askthe people who read this something, if at a resort, or beach, and you saw a couple doing inappropriate "things", would you leave that to someone else, or say something? Would you just leave quietly and not go back? What would you tell someone if they asked you what you thought of that beach or resort? A a beach there is no "owner" to report to, at a resort, and you were just a visitor, would the site mangement be expected to take your word for it, or would they need to see it? In a case such as that, just someone saying something, just a simple "Hey, what are you doing" would be enough to stop it. No comfortation, just saying something. Wether it was someone new who just didn't know, or someone who knows but doesn't care, the action would have been stopped and at the least, they would be more mindfull before repeating the action. The same can be said of the chat room, the problem is not with the chat software, it's the way it is used. As folklover pointed out when women enter the chat room they are slammed with pm's. Many just give up and leave the chat room, or the site. I think the way to stop, or atleast slow that down is not to leave, but to simple post in the room something along the lines of " bob, ted, fred, sam, please do not pm me, or any woman, as soon as we enter the room"...Many of the better men in the room would be glad to help out and discourage those who do it from that type of behaviour. Perfect, no, 100% success rate, no, a move in the right direction, yes. Peer pressure when used wisely, is quite effective. That method has been used before here, and worked. However, just closing the pm's does not allow the good ones in the chat room to lend a hand. I do agree the best way to know someone is a real nudist is to meet them, this site, and chat room, is only a helpful tool to do that. It allows you to find other nudists in your area, or perhaps somewhere you going to visit. A brief introduction so to speak. It allows you to have conversations with people you would not otherwise know.
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