Cuddlebutton makes some interesting remarks and notes lessons for all of us. Nudists and social nudity is simply a way to do the common everyday tasks without the restriction of clothing. This can be in a private setting or at a club or resort. Most members of AANR are couples due to the intended 100% membership in AANRof all affilliated clubs. My and my wife's AANR membership number is 181303 and P1076671 AANR-W. My wife does not chat. However, she participates in our club regularly and has been on numerous nude cruises andgoes to resorts regularly. Her first time in a social nude situation was at Terra Cotta resort in PalmSprings 14 years ago - Thank you TOM and MC. Cuddlebutton and her husband have made efforts to screen out the the unwanted "friends" through intricate maneuvers.However, they should not have to delve into these machinations to associate with other nudists. Maybe asking people for their AANR or TNS membership can be another way to define the nudist couple.
That's an excellent suggestion CO, however, that would then leave Steve and myself out as we are not members of AANR or TNS. Although we do participate in the AANR annual beach clean up, where we've made some wonderful friends, anything with a membership fee is prohibitive for us, right now. As much as we appreciate and support AANR (by volunteering in specific events), we also don't feel it should necessary to be part of a club just to prove we're nudists. LOL! Our membership fee is our clothes coming off as soon as we walk through the door at home.
Oh, if that sounds a little snarky it's really not meant to be. Just pointing out that not every nudist or naturist is a member of an organization. The fact of the matter is if we could squeeze it in to the budget, we would.
Jen
p.s. LOOOOOOVE your skiing photos!
Jen you have brought up some really great and valid points on the matter of the trigger happy single guys and they way the reflect on the rest of us. I'm proud to have you and your Steve as friends on here and I would love to meet you guys one of these days.
Okay now that I've gotten the pleasantries out of the way I've got to bring up a couple points on the issue of discrimination. This may get a bit controversial so if you're not willing to open your mind and read it for what it is then go ahead and stop now....Trust me it's not going to hurt my feelings one bit.
First let me say that being someones friend for the sake of having friends doesn't interest me one bit. If someone doesn't want to be my friend then in my opinion it's their loss not mine. The thing that is killing me about this single male rhetoric that keeps getting tossed around by some couples is the way they refer to us as if we are somehow lesser beings or in some way unworthy because we haven't been paired up with someone. In some cases they really are talking out both sides of their mouths in that in one breath they are espousing the open acceptance and relatively non-judgmental nature of nudists and in the next about the general evils of the single male.
Now for the controversial part....Brace yourself.....
I submit for your consideration that this behavior is not all that different than the racism or the hate directed at GLBT's that we have endured here in the United States for so long. Granted there are no lynch mobs out looking for single guys. At least not that I'm aware of anyway. Where I draw the connection is that these people have based their opinion of an entire section of society on the actions of a hand full of people or on the misguided information that they have received from others. There is currently a couple here who has been advertising their couples only web site. While in my opinion they have all the right in the world to start a club who's membership is limited to those who they wish to associate with, that couple has also implied that single males are generally unworthy perverts who are up to nothing but trouble.
In my life I have been impacted by both racism and sexual discrimination. The area where I grew up is greatly divided along the lines of race, sexuality, and socio-economic status. I have been denied access to financial public assistance when I truly needed it because I was a white male. I have been denied jobs because I was male. I have been ostracized because I am Italian. I have been ignored because I am single. I was even asked to leave a church once because I wasn't dressed well enough...sorry couldn't afford the fancy clothes at the time, but who knew that was a prerequisite.
My question is, when are people going to start basing their opinions of people on the actions of that person? I was held at gun point by a black man while he robbed the restaurant I was eating at. I don't hate all black people because of that. A good friend of mine was shot 5 times and killed by a group of Mexicans. I don't hate all Mexicans because of that. A Jewish girl caused the car accident that injured my back leaving me in pain for the last 15 years. I don't hate all Jews for that. So when are these people going to grow up and stop hating single men because a handful of us have inappropriately asked them for naked pictures?
Well Jen I'm glad you bothered to write all that, I'm sure it will be very helpful to a lot of others, and I've been wondering for ages what your verification process was, great idea, hehe.
I was determined, this time, to not end up with hundreds of friends, so I wrote that blog to make it clear, It seems to have worked, maybe too well as I don't get bothered much. I am not in a position to go and meet anyone unless they are close (and there's not many of them) so I'm not in a hurry to make lots of friends, because corresponding with them is too time consuming.
I think a friend is someone that you don't necessarily have to have a lot of frequent interaction with, but is there for you when you need them. Especially here, it's ridiculous to expect to stay in touch with a large number. I seem to have just got a feel for people by reading what they write and after a while they usually send a request. Had a few that have requested blind so to speak some of them I just delete, and if they look like they might be ok I'll go out of my way to get to know them a bit, so that I can still say I 've chatted with every one of my friends (with the exception of a few "pin ups" that I accepted for aesthetic reasons and so it would not look like I was gay! hehe) but lately I've been thinking it might be nice to have ALL the decent folk on my list, just to have them all in one place, but that would probably run into thousands and I doubt the list would accept that many.
Steve I can see where you're coming from, but I can also see and sympathise with the couples that are harassed by all these unscrupulous guys. It must be a lot of work dealing with them and I know I wouldn't bother. I think my way (although I may have come across a bit too strong) seems to be the way to go, for me anyway.
looknf4sun, you always make a lot of sense, I think it's time we got together, do you?
ps. Jen, I too felt uncomfortable when I saw that post, so far TT seems to have ignored violations of that rule, which I think is a good thing, if your just pointing some one towards some info, but I think this IS blatant advertising and should not be here. It'll be interesting to see if it stays here.
EDIT: The post in question has now been altered.
Phil.
Wow, where to start.... LOL Jen and Steve, I really appreciate your friendship, and what a great name that Steve has..... The first time I had sent you a friend request a while back, you politely refused me. Now you have accepted me for who I am as we have gotten to know eachother in the forum. Thank you..... BTW, if you do get to OHIO, you darn well better STOP, I would very much enjoy meeting both of you. If things work for Karen and I, and we start to travel like we want, you never know, we might just show up there....
Steve, I understand what you are saying also. Trying the dating world for a little while, there is sooooo much crap out there from so many men it makes my head spin when I hear some of the stories. BUT that is not all of us.... Not all of us are like that. We aren't all running around with our "thing" in our hands looking for a quick whatever. I have been looking for just one "true" love for a long time now, and I think I may have found her. Only time will tell.
wall_E, it's great to have you here, and I agree with the advertising. Thats not what this site is for. If they want to advertise, they can take out an ad like Terra Cotta, and help TT defray some of the cost of running this site. It's not fair to Terra Cotta, or anyone else that pays for advertising.
I have to go, I', taking Karen out to lunch.... Catch you all later....
Steve
Well I, by dint of a very special birth scenario, form a THIRD gender all on my own. Clever boy! True, I am 46xy karyotype male, but I was born neuter, asexual. All right, stop beating about the bush; I was born with no bits! And I am proud of it!
But, if you want sexual discrimination, my 2 years in the lifestyle has been littered with it. I can only thank all my wonderful naturist friends who stand by me in these hideous incidents, the worst being perpetrated by site-owners, would you believe?
Take the latest! Some tosser called Kevin, who admins or owns https://www.nudist-resorts.org, upon catching me posting in his forums, immediately froze my membership until I produce a medical report proving I am real. What a gall to ask for a sensitive document which is personal to me and classified among the surgeons who are working on remedial surgery for me! Has this xenophobe ever done this to any other member? No! I am singled out. This bigot simply segregated me into a category for a latter day John Merrick just because I am different. Apartheid lives!
This, after a few months back another site owner known as socalguy removed my photo out of the "members' album" and isolated me in a new album called "members with no penis"! You gotta laugh or you'll cry!
Now THAT'S sexual discrimination.... against the non-sexual, godammit! LOL!
Sites like https://www.nudist-resorts.org have to be blacklisted by all genuine nudists if we are to end these obscenities, as do clubs that discriminate against single males on slanderous grounds, as I too have experienced (thank you Apollo Sun Club, Sussex). Xenophobia and discrimination are not as prevalent in nudism as in mainstream society but they do, I'm afraid, exist far too often.
I think Lorraine you should mention something else for the benefit of clubs like Apollo Sun Club of Sussex.
They are a club that ban single males on account of them being predatory.
Now you and I know this is NOT the case. Single males are able to get sex any time they like 24/7 because they have no home loyalties to conflict with. So they are up against no sexual deadline at the nudist clubs.
In fact the predatory males in nearly 100% of cases are married men. They get their wives to join these sun clubs just so that they can turn up on their own. Perhaps their love life at hnme is on the wane so they get down the club with only a few hours to get it all in. This is a dangerous animal to any single female. This is Eureka (Kent) in a nutshell!
I feel that if sun clubs start to identify and ban all these predatory married men they might begin to earn some creditabiliy.
Only then will such clubs be a safe heven for single women.
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