New Group.
TN Picture Reform.
I do not expect a mad rush, but it will be interesting to see just how many people have
the sense to care.
It would seem that the modern thinking is becoming more and more liberal by the day.
Fine by me, accept, that like it or not, we DO have to contend with those who denounce
us because they misunderstand naturism, simply because they believe our own negative
propaganda, rather than take the time to find out, just what it is, that we are really all about.
THIS is why we HAVE to present ourselves as "whiter than white" so as NOT to give
these people the EVIDENCE to support, their efforts, to CLOSE DOWN our clubs
and beeches.
On top of this, here at TN, we regularly hear reports of "true nudists" that take one look
at this site and leave. Heaven knows, how many we do not hear about. Imho, True nudists
here, are very much in the minority, (just look at the numbers in the "clean up" groups) so
many are here because they feel they can legitimise their behaviour, under the cloak of
the Nudist/Naturist banner, without having to be seen on a porn site.
This is yet another reason why it IS necessary for every profile here, to portray a
NONE sexual stance.
Allow suggestive pictures and dialog, and there is then, VERY LITTLE difference
between this, and an average porn site, AND many other "nudist" sites too I might add.
Of course there are many instances when scantily clad and even dodgy poses are inocent,
humorous, and perfectly acceptable, but, it can be a very grey area between that, and
offensive material, and so purely on a practical level, in order to assist in the speedy
and efficient moderation process, I feel it is necessary to outlaw these and so end any
confusion and bad feeling.
If you have posted, anything that COULD be construed as sexually suggestive,
underwear pics, scantily clad shots, lingerie, body part, cock rings, genital piercings,
erections or spread eagled shots, please just STOP, and think for a moment, do
YOU REALLY want to shoot yourself in the foot?
TT has enough to do, so do him a favour, and delete them, or at least set them to
"friends only" Help to promote this site and our lifestyle, as the honest, wholesome,
healthy philosophy that it is, and NOT part of the sleazy sex industry,
and ...... you might just keep your beeches.
It's up toYOU, do YOU want to CONTINUE, to have somewhereto goand
be natural?
To show your support, please join this group.
TN Picture Reform.
Thank you for your time.
Phil.
New Group.
TNPicurture Reform.
Ido not expect a mad rush, but it will be interesting to see just how many people have
the sense to care.
It would seem that the modern thinking is becoming more and more liberal by the day.
Fine by me, accept, that like it or not, we DO have to contend with those who denounce
us because they misunderstand naturism, simply because they believe our own negative
propaganda, rather than take the time to find out, just what it is, that we are really all about.
THIS is why we HAVE to present ourselves as "whiter than white" so as NOT to give
these people the EVIDENCE to support, their efforts, to CLOSE DOWN our clubs
and beeches.
On top of this, here at TN, we regularly hear reports of "true nudists" that take one look
at this site and leave. Heaven knows, how many we do not hear about. Imho, True nudists
here, are very much in the minority, (just look at the numbers in the "clean up" groups) so
many are here because they feel they can legitimise their behaviour, under the cloak of
the Nudist/Naturist banner, without having to be seen on a porn site.
This is yet another reason why it IS necessary for every profile here, to portray a
NONE sexual stance.
Allow suggestive pictures and dialog, and there is then, VERY LITTLE difference
between this, and an average porn site, AND many other "nudist" sites too I might add.
Of course there are many instances when scantily clad and even dodgy poses are inocent,
humorous, and perfectly acceptable, but, it can be a very grey area between that, and
offensive material, and so purely on a practical level, in order to assist in the speedy
and efficient moderation process, I feel it is necessary to outlaw these and so end any
confusion and bad feeling.
If you have posted, anything that COULD be construed as sexually suggestive,
underwear pics, scantily clad shots, lingerie, body part, cock rings, genital piercings,
erections or spread eagled shots, please just STOP, and think for a moment, do
YOU REALLY want to shoot yourself in the foot?
TT has enough to do, so do him a favour, and delete them, or at least set them to
"friends only" Help to promote this site and our lifestyle, as the honest, wholesome,
healthy philosophy that it is, and NOT part of the sleazy sex industry,
and ...... you might just keep your beeches.
It's up toYOU, do YOU want to CONTINUE, to have somewhereto goand
be natural?
To show your support, please join this group.
TN Picture Reform.
Thank you for your time.
Phil.
New Group. TNPicurture Reform. Ido not expect a mad rush, but it will be interesting to see just how many people have the sense to care. It would seem that the modern thinking is becoming more and more liberal by the day. Fine by me, accept, that like it or not, we DO have to contend with those who denounce us because they misunderstand naturism, simply because they believe our own negative propaganda, rather than take the time to find out, just what it is, that we are really all about. THIS is why we HAVE to present ourselves as "whiter than white" so as NOT to give these people the EVIDENCE to support, their efforts, to CLOSE DOWN our clubs and beeches. On top of this, here at TN, we regularly hear reports of "true nudists" that take one look at this site and leave. Heaven knows, how many we do not hear about. Imho, True nudists here, are very much in the minority, (just look at the numbers in the "clean up" groups) so many are here because they feel they can legitimise their behaviour, under the cloak of the Nudist/Naturist banner, without having to be seen on a porn site. This is yet another reason why it IS necessary for every profile here, to portray a NONE sexual stance. Allow suggestive pictures and dialog, and there is then, VERY LITTLE difference between this, and an average porn site, AND many other "nudist" sites too I might add. Of course there are many instances when scantily clad and even dodgy poses are inocent, humorous, and perfectly acceptable, but, it can be a very grey area between that, and offensive material, and so purely on a practical level, in order to assist in the speedy and efficient moderation process, I feel it is necessary to outlaw these and so end any confusion and bad feeling. If you have posted, anything that COULD be construed as sexually suggestive, underwear pics, scantily clad shots, lingerie, body part, cock rings, genital piercings, erections or spread eagled shots, please just STOP, and think for a moment, do YOU REALLY want to shoot yourself in the foot? TT has enough to do, so do him a favour, and delete them, or at least set them to "friends only" Help to promote this site and our lifestyle, as the honest, wholesome, healthy philosophy that it is, and NOT part of the sleazy sex industry, and ...... you might just keep your beeches. It's up toYOU, do YOU want to CONTINUE, to have somewhereto goand be natural? To show your support, please join this group. TN Picture Reform. Thank you for your time. Phil.
New Group. TNPicurture Reform. Ido not expect a mad rush, but it will be interesting to see just how many people have the sense to care. It would seem that the modern thinking is becoming more and more liberal by the day. Fine by me, accept, that like it or not, we DO have to contend with those who denounce us because they misunderstand naturism, simply because they believe our own negative propaganda, rather than take the time to find out, just what it is, that we are really all about. THIS is why we HAVE to present ourselves as "whiter than white" so as NOT to give these people the EVIDENCE to support, their efforts, to CLOSE DOWN our clubs and beeches. On top of this, here at TN, we regularly hear reports of "true nudists" that take one look at this site and leave. Heaven knows, how many we do not hear about. Imho, True nudists here, are very much in the minority, (just look at the numbers in the "clean up" groups) so many are here because they feel they can legitimise their behaviour, under the cloak of the Nudist/Naturist banner, without having to be seen on a porn site. This is yet another reason why it IS necessary for every profile here, to portray a NONE sexual stance. Allow suggestive pictures and dialog, and there is then, VERY LITTLE difference between this, and an average porn site, AND many other "nudist" sites too I might add. Of course there are many instances when scantily clad and even dodgy poses are inocent, humorous, and perfectly acceptable, but, it can be a very grey area between that, and offensive material, and so purely on a practical level, in order to assist in the speedy and efficient moderation process, I feel it is necessary to outlaw these and so end any confusion and bad feeling. If you have posted, anything that COULD be construed as sexually suggestive, underwear pics, scantily clad shots, lingerie, body part, cock rings, genital piercings, erections or spread eagled shots, please just STOP, and think for a moment, do YOU REALLY want to shoot yourself in the foot? TT has enough to do, so do him a favour, and delete them, or at least set them to "friends only" Help to promote this site and our lifestyle, as the honest, wholesome, healthy philosophy that it is, and NOT part of the sleazy sex industry, and ...... you might just keep your beeches. It's up toYOU, do YOU want to CONTINUE, to have somewhereto goand be natural? To show your support, please join this group. TN Picture Reform. Thank you for your time. Phil.
New Group. TNPicurture Reform. Ido not expect a mad rush, but it will be interesting to see just how many people have the sense to care. It would seem that the modern thinking is becoming more and more liberal by the day. Fine by me, accept, that like it or not, we DO have to contend with those who denounce us because they misunderstand naturism, simply because they believe our own negative propaganda, rather than take the time to find out, just what it is, that we are really all about. THIS is why we HAVE to present ourselves as "whiter than white" so as NOT to give these people the EVIDENCE to support, their efforts, to CLOSE DOWN our clubs and beeches. On top of this, here at TN, we regularly hear reports of "true nudists" that take one look at this site and leave. Heaven knows, how many we do not hear about. Imho, True nudists here, are very much in the minority, (just look at the numbers in the "clean up" groups) so many are here because they feel they can legitimise their behaviour, under the cloak of the Nudist/Naturist banner, without having to be seen on a porn site. This is yet another reason why it IS necessary for every profile here, to portray a NONE sexual stance. Allow suggestive pictures and dialog, and there is then, VERY LITTLE difference between this, and an average porn site, AND many other "nudist" sites too I might add. Of course there are many instances when scantily clad and even dodgy poses are inocent, humorous, and perfectly acceptable, but, it can be a very grey area between that, and offensive material, and so purely on a practical level, in order to assist in the speedy and efficient moderation process, I feel it is necessary to outlaw these and so end any confusion and bad feeling. If you have posted, anything that COULD be construed as sexually suggestive, underwear pics, scantily clad shots, lingerie, body part, cock rings, genital piercings, erections or spread eagled shots, please just STOP, and think for a moment, do YOU REALLY want to shoot yourself in the foot? TT has enough to do, so do him a favour, and delete them, or at least set them to "friends only" Help to promote this site and our lifestyle, as the honest, wholesome, healthy philosophy that it is, and NOT part of the sleazy sex industry, and ...... you might just keep your beeches. It's up toYOU, do YOU want to CONTINUE, to have somewhereto goand be natural? To show your support, please join this group. TN Picture Reform. Thank you for your time. Phil.
New Group. TNPicurture Reform. Ido not expect a mad rush, but it will be interesting to see just how many people have the sense to care. It would seem that the modern thinking is becoming more and more liberal by the day. Fine by me, accept, that like it or not, we DO have to contend with those who denounce us because they misunderstand naturism, simply because they believe our own negative propaganda, rather than take the time to find out, just what it is, that we are really all about. THIS is why we HAVE to present ourselves as "whiter than white" so as NOT to give these people the EVIDENCE to support, their efforts, to CLOSE DOWN our clubs and beeches. On top of this, here at TN, we regularly hear reports of "true nudists" that take one look at this site and leave. Heaven knows, how many we do not hear about. Imho, True nudists here, are very much in the minority, (just look at the numbers in the "clean up" groups) so many are here because they feel they can legitimise their behaviour, under the cloak of the Nudist/Naturist banner, without having to be seen on a porn site. This is yet another reason why it IS necessary for every profile here, to portray a NONE sexual stance. Allow suggestive pictures and dialog, and there is then, VERY LITTLE difference between this, and an average porn site, AND many other "nudist" sites too I might add. Of course there are many instances when scantily clad and even dodgy poses are inocent, humorous, and perfectly acceptable, but, it can be a very grey area between that, and offensive material, and so purely on a practical level, in order to assist in the speedy and efficient moderation process, I feel it is necessary to outlaw these and so end any confusion and bad feeling. If you have posted, anything that COULD be construed as sexually suggestive, underwear pics, scantily clad shots, lingerie, body part, cock rings, genital piercings, erections or spread eagled shots, please just STOP, and think for a moment, do YOU REALLY want to shoot yourself in the foot? TT has enough to do, so do him a favour, and delete them, or at least set them to "friends only" Help to promote this site and our lifestyle, as the honest, wholesome, healthy philosophy that it is, and NOT part of the sleazy sex industry, and ...... you might just keep your beeches. It's up toYOU, do YOU want to CONTINUE, to have somewhereto goand be natural? To show your support, please join this group. TN Picture Reform. Thank you for your time. Phil.
New Group. TNPicurture Reform. Ido not expect a mad rush, but it will be interesting to see just how many people have the sense to care. It would seem that the modern thinking is becoming more and more liberal by the day. Fine by me, accept, that like it or not, we DO have to contend with those who denounce us because they misunderstand naturism, simply because they believe our own negative propaganda, rather than take the time to find out, just what it is, that we are really all about. THIS is why we HAVE to present ourselves as "whiter than white" so as NOT to give these people the EVIDENCE to support, their efforts, to CLOSE DOWN our clubs and beeches. On top of this, here at TN, we regularly hear reports of "true nudists" that take one look at this site and leave. Heaven knows, how many we do not hear about. Imho, True nudists here, are very much in the minority, (just look at the numbers in the "clean up" groups) so many are here because they feel they can legitimise their behaviour, under the cloak of the Nudist/Naturist banner, without having to be seen on a porn site. This is yet another reason why it IS necessary for every profile here, to portray a NONE sexual stance. Allow suggestive pictures and dialog, and there is then, VERY LITTLE difference between this, and an average porn site, AND many other "nudist" sites too I might add. Of course there are many instances when scantily clad and even dodgy poses are inocent, humorous, and perfectly acceptable, but, it can be a very grey area between that, and offensive material, and so purely on a practical level, in order to assist in the speedy and efficient moderation process, I feel it is necessary to outlaw these and so end any confusion and bad feeling. If you have posted, anything that COULD be construed as sexually suggestive, underwear pics, scantily clad shots, lingerie, body part, cock rings, genital piercings, erections or spread eagled shots, please just STOP, and think for a moment, do YOU REALLY want to shoot yourself in the foot? TT has enough to do, so do him a favour, and delete them, or at least set them to "friends only" Help to promote this site and our lifestyle, as the honest, wholesome, healthy philosophy that it is, and NOT part of the sleazy sex industry, and ...... you might just keep your beeches. It's up toYOU, do YOU want to CONTINUE, to have somewhereto goand be natural? To show your support, please join this group. TN Picture Reform. Thank you for your time. Phil.
New Group. TNPicurture Reform. Ido not expect a mad rush, but it will be interesting to see just how many people have the sense to care. It would seem that the modern thinking is becoming more and more liberal by the day. Fine by me, accept, that like it or not, we DO have to contend with those who denounce us because they misunderstand naturism, simply because they believe our own negative propaganda, rather than take the time to find out, just what it is, that we are really all about. THIS is why we HAVE to present ourselves as "whiter than white" so as NOT to give these people the EVIDENCE to support, their efforts, to CLOSE DOWN our clubs and beeches. On top of this, here at TN, we regularly hear reports of "true nudists" that take one look at this site and leave. Heaven knows, how many we do not hear about. Imho, True nudists here, are very much in the minority, (just look at the numbers in the "clean up" groups) so many are here because they feel they can legitimise their behaviour, under the cloak of the Nudist/Naturist banner, without having to be seen on a porn site. This is yet another reason why it IS necessary for every profile here, to portray a NONE sexual stance. Allow suggestive pictures and dialog, and there is then, VERY LITTLE difference between this, and an average porn site, AND many other "nudist" sites too I might add. Of course there are many instances when scantily clad and even dodgy poses are inocent, humorous, and perfectly acceptable, but, it can be a very grey area between that, and offensive material, and so purely on a practical level, in order to assist in the speedy and efficient moderation process, I feel it is necessary to outlaw these and so end any confusion and bad feeling. If you have posted, anything that COULD be construed as sexually suggestive, underwear pics, scantily clad shots, lingerie, body part, cock rings, genital piercings, erections or spread eagled shots, please just STOP, and think for a moment, do YOU REALLY want to shoot yourself in the foot? TT has enough to do, so do him a favour, and delete them, or at least set them to "friends only" Help to promote this site and our lifestyle, as the honest, wholesome, healthy philosophy that it is, and NOT part of the sleazy sex industry, and ...... you might just keep your beeches. It's up toYOU, do YOU want to CONTINUE, to have somewhereto goand be natural? To show your support, please join this group. TN Picture Reform. Thank you for your time. Phil. It is totally beyond belief that anyone with objections to this group, could care about true nudism. If the nudist lifestyle is seriously for you, then please take some time to think about this goup, show your support not only to Phil, but all the People wanting to remain on a none porn site. Please think about joining this group NOW before it is TOO LATE. Kind regards to you all, Kevin.
Thanks Kevin, sooooooo true.
New Group. TNPicurture Reform. Ido not expect a mad rush, but it will be interesting to see just how many people have the sense to care. It would seem that the modern thinking is becoming more and more liberal by the day. Fine by me, accept, that like it or not, we DO have to contend with those who denounce us because they misunderstand naturism, simply because they believe our own negative propaganda, rather than take the time to find out, just what it is, that we are really all about. THIS is why we HAVE to present ourselves as "whiter than white" so as NOT to give these people the EVIDENCE to support, their efforts, to CLOSE DOWN our clubs and beeches. On top of this, here at TN, we regularly hear reports of "true nudists" that take one look at this site and leave. Heaven knows, how many we do not hear about. Imho, True nudists here, are very much in the minority, (just look at the numbers in the "clean up" groups) so many are here because they feel they can legitimise their behaviour, under the cloak of the Nudist/Naturist banner, without having to be seen on a porn site. This is yet another reason why it IS necessary for every profile here, to portray a NONE sexual stance. Allow suggestive pictures and dialog, and there is then, VERY LITTLE difference between this, and an average porn site, AND many other "nudist" sites too I might add. Of course there are many instances when scantily clad and even dodgy poses are inocent, humorous, and perfectly acceptable, but, it can be a very grey area between that, and offensive material, and so purely on a practical level, in order to assist in the speedy and efficient moderation process, I feel it is necessary to outlaw these and so end any confusion and bad feeling. If you have posted, anything that COULD be construed as sexually suggestive, underwear pics, scantily clad shots, lingerie, body part, cock rings, genital piercings, erections or spread eagled shots, please just STOP, and think for a moment, do YOU REALLY want to shoot yourself in the foot? TT has enough to do, so do him a favour, and delete them, or at least set them to "friends only" Help to promote this site and our lifestyle, as the honest, wholesome, healthy philosophy that it is, and NOT part of the sleazy sex industry, and ...... you might just keep your beeches. It's up toYOU, do YOU want to CONTINUE, to have somewhereto goand be natural? To show your support, please join this group. TN Picture Reform. Thank you for your time. Phil. It is totally beyond belief that anyone with objections to this group, could care about true nudism. If the nudist lifestyle is seriously for you, then please take some time to think about this goup, show your support not only to Phil, but all the People wanting to remain on a none porn site. Please think about joining this group NOW before it is TOO LATE. Kind regards to you all, Kevin.
Thanks Kevin, sooooooo true.
TN picture reform/preservation groups ?
Come on, people !
Yeah, I've joined BOTH groups, largely to keep an eye on the OVER reactions on both sides, not because I either favor or oppose either one.
It seems to me that what we have here, is a *slightly* right of center objection to *some* of the obvious porn pictures apearing on this site, and a *slightly* left objection to what is pervceived as a witch hunt when it really isn't.
There are valid arguments on both "sides" of this non-issue.
BOTH sides use as evidence of their religiously fundamentalist stance, the guidlines posted by the site owner nearly two years ago, when the site first started.
BOTH sides make the argument, not it so many words, that some are new, and need guidance. Rather than offer guidance, we have a war of words. Much ado about nothing, in most cases.
There ARE photos in very, very clear violation of the guidlines originally posted, and remaining, by TT1. These scream for some kind of reform.
On the other hand, some of these photos TT1 has allowed to remain for quite some time. A year or more in some cases. This also screams for a clarification.
Do the "stated" rules mean anything at all ? By some examples, they don't mean anything. By others that have been removed, they do mean something.
Questionable and obvious porn photos WILL cause the casual visitor to conclude that a certain type of behaviour is welcome here. Maybe it is. *I* am not the site owner, administrator, or moderator. Whether these are desired is not for me to say, though I'd think not. What the site must inevitably become if they remain is clear.
Perhaps, just perhaps, these "appearance of evil" photos should be removed. The ONLY options WE have, is to flag them and let the owner decide, or to message that individual with a recomendation, which is usually met with confrontation and justification rather than a seeking of understanding.
Flagging is not the hammer of Thor. It is not the lightning of Zeus called down from the heavens to devastate the landscape, yet one of these groups would have one believe that it is, by some self-appointed dictator.
What flagging is, is merely a "hey boss, maybe you should check this out."
Maybe he does, and maybe he doesn't. He's unresponsive enough that we'll never really know.
Some say that these "groups" are shoving down the throats of others, some perceived site policy, when they are not. These groups are merely a response to a lack of clarification when it is asked, and required.
YES, newbies will make mistakes, and should be offered gentle clarification of what it means to be a nudist, and where the line might fall. They should not be shot at dawn for a misunderstanding. Likewise, obvious porn photos ( IMHO ) in a nudist, not a porn, environment, probably should be shot at dawn.
Unfortunately, over the last two years there has developed on this site a definite grey area, with no clear line.
It seems to me that BOTH of these groups are mostly folks massing for war, and ALL of them within the grey area, neither "side" having a definite, clearly understood knowledge of where a line might be, *if* there is one !
It seems to me, that NEITHER of these groups should exist, but that ALL of the members should really belong to a neutral group that seeks an understanding, not a religious fundamentalist jihad.
But, what do I know ?
Why is it these days that people rush to war, rather than reach understanding, and ultimately find that they are on the same page ?
Yes, this post appears in four places, because IMHO there is no clear "side" that I can take, yet I do believe my opinion ( just like anyone else ) is valid, and that my take just may have something to offer.
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