Planning under uncertainty is paradox

It is very well said."Man Proposes and God Disposes".I have had n number of experiences of it.But still,I do "Planing".Two months back I was on my official tour to North Karnataka.Unlike earlier times,there was nobody with me (collegues),so I had seen a dream of nudist life and sex with good Man.I was teribly excited.Notwithstanding my professional commitments,work pressures,I had immediate target of experiencing nudism in public places.
I dropped in one of good lodge,registered myself and went in m room.Yesssss..now i have full liberty to off my cloths.Meanwhile,I had captured the handsome male staff and prayed that He should come to my room for service.I removed my shirts and trousers,saw me in mirror,I was looking pretty good in underwear.I just stripped down mu undies from back to show my butts.In short,I did create all supportive environment to show my ass and penis to others.But even after a period of 30 minutes nobody came.I was disappointed.I wanted to have water bottle,towel (just to show off) hot water for bathing etc...and main important was service provider...Man.
I had called up from my room to the administration incharge,he apologized and assured me to send one of the boys within ten minutes.After five to ten minutes,door bell rang.My heart bits increased.I took the position,removed my underwear and opened the door..I was strangely surprised...One very old man was standing in front of me.Old age wrincles,sympathy,innocence,sincerity,modesty every sensible expression was reflected on his face and his body language.He appeared to me like my aged uncle or Grandpa.He asked,''Are beta,main chai lau ki coffee? Pahele to pani le lo.Aur kapade paheno beta..Bhagwan ne hame itna to amir kiya hai ki hum apni lajja dhak sake......" (Oh my dear son,would like to prefer tea or coffee?Let us have some water first...and please wear cloths.God has given sufficient wealth at least to hide pur private parts...)
I was ashamed myself....I did feel guilty..I am an Indian (and proud to be).Culturally we are rich,philosophically we just cant bit any other nation.Our private parts considered as our character.We always worship women in the form of Godess Sarswati,Durga Mata,Kali Mata,etc..and we are showing it to outside world?without any hesitatons? where is our Value system?Ethcs?Shame?Character?Sanskar?..........These points made me to introspect myself with a deep process....I slept for eight to nine hours when I woke up..I had full cloths..That rom service uncle made me to think..and I was considered myself to be learned and educated...for full trip I not even had thought of being naked......after that I went to Kerala,God's Own country..But experiences of this trip,next time I will write....

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What are you here for? Preaching our so called culture? A moral police, eh? This is the land of naga sadhus, and digambar Jains, didn't you know? M F Hussain may be very recent and target of you people, but wall pictures and sculptures thousands of years of old depicts nude gods and godesses, perhaps you are not aware of? If you are rich enough and still in that official tour, go to Sravanaelegola straight right from Northern Karnataka which is not a very far off place, and remember to beg if you are not, because you must take a very very very large piece of cloth with you to protect our cultural modesty. But remember, naga sadhus and digambar Jain monks are not repressed andsex craving items like you.

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And one more thing, it must have been winter or the room was AC, and you were meeting people in full attire with office works in your dream so you woke up from bed FULLY clothed.

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Yes, 'uncertain' must you have been, and must you still be, for you even can't dream of the difference of nudism and sex.

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Hi Guys, I feel, let's not be judgmental. We are nudists - and and non nudists consider us as pervert, we love same sex and homo phobic world brand us as mental patients, we love swapping and monogamous people call us pervert, we dont want to get married and stay bachelor, people call us homo, we fall in love with someone outside marriage and have sex, people frown upon - there too, a man is seen as sex star and a woman as a whore. We want to remain as childless couple people call us impotent.......
my point is - in real world we all face such judgement. And since we don't have space to talk out, society is always dominated by the voice of majority. But who listens to the voice of silent?
I understand - some writing might not gel with our value system and lets be patient and non judgmental. Here, I feel this person is describing a journey of his own. We all have such journey when our own words, thought and actions are challenged by ourselves only - we get confused, only to get better clarity.

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I get your point. But dont go with his action flow. Observe his thought flow.
Very surprisingly - may be he is putting this intentionally - or unintentionally- whatever - in his writing first it appears as Nudity=sex.
Then there is a confusion as resulted from societal belief based on culture, ethics, norms, religion.
Exactly same thing happens in real world. Nudity is either equal to sex or spirituality. And both are seen as extremes.
But when nudity will be seen neither as expression of sex or medium of spirituality? When it will be seen as just a normal natural phenbomeon?

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A nude child is neither sexual nor spiritual but natural.
My suggestion - lets wait and see how the writer is evolving in his thought process....that is all important.
I can share here one of such trajectory in my thought process.
Before visiting Sravanbelgola, I used to equate my desire to be nude with Digambar saints. But when I met a digambar saint I realized i am just a nudist and he is not nude - he is sky clad.
My whole point is - let the person express himself.

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I am very curious to know what happened at Kerala - some new experiences...realisation...clarity....openness....more confusion....stigma....whatever.
Let it flow.
lets ask, question , challenge any thing at action or though level but not at identity level.

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shanky, nothing to be apologizing. You said what came into your mind...and congratulations for that...because, in one hand, it is difficult to speak what you really think.
The guy, as mentioned by indianlover, posted a pic of his little sister (I haven't seen the pic) perhaps sleeping nude or semi nude, whatever. Since I haven't seen the pic, i did not unfriend him - neither I am in touch (the way i am, with many of you guys here) with him.
I hope some one has clearly communicated to him why people were upset at it.
Few days back, I received a friend request from a guy - he is from some European country his profile name was machod. I found he is Indian and in Hindi, its a slang.
I denied his request telling him that i personally have prob with the word, so cant accept his FR. Asked him to use some other name.

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in 100% agreement with indianlover

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Great discussions going on.

However, the thread, during its course of discussion, very naturally, drifted to another issue and the issue had been rightly raised.

Coming to the initial post.

Shanky, don't be mistaken.

The guy very cleverly started from a point of view that sex=nudity and later made the old man tell that being only nude (as he showed himself not being sexual as the man was quite old) is opposed to our (Indian) culture.

The same language I myself heard from Goa to Gokarna to Pondicherry to Chandipur on sea.

The language of moral polices!

Let them hear who have ears!

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