we tend to agree that resorts charge to much, especially when you consider that most nudists travel long distances to get there . round trip can often cost $100.00 in gas alone or more . many nudists are on a fixed income and simply can't afford to go very often if the grounds fee's are high
One's lack of disposable income does not effect the cost of running a resort. One's distance from a resort does not effect the cost of running a resort one iota. This matters not if the club is textile or clothing optional.Visitors from all over the nation (and even the world) fly to Florida to visit both the nudist and textile resorts. The airfare to Florida most certainly is more then the $100 you mention and does not keep those resorts from being full and turning a profit.
We all do what we can afford, I drive hundreds of miles to visit naturist clubs. My brother and his wife spend considerably more flying to resorts in the Caribbean every winter. Quite honestly, should those resorts they visit lower their prices because their guests must take multiple flights and spend thousands to get to their remote location? Sadly you don't seem to understand capitalism. Not everyone can afford to live the life they choose.If the gas used to travel to a resort is too expensive for a visitor, is that the fault of the resort? The resort is not responsible for the income level of those that would like to visit.Perhaps instead of bemoaning the price of recreation one should look at increasing their income so that they can enjoy that which they cannot currently afford.
Thinking of the economics of running a resort: There are privately owned, for-profit resorts. They must cover their expenses and make a profit for their investors. That is capitalism. There are also co-operatively owned resorts that are owned by their members. These facilities are for the joint enjoyment of their owner/members. If you compare the gate, room rental, and other charges on an apples to apples/oranges to oranges bases -rustic club to rustic club, superclub to superclub; you will find that the costs to visitors is about the same. A poster suggested that the price is based upon greed. If the cost is similar at a co-operatively owned club is similar to that of a privately owned club, then it can't be greed. It is a function of a cost of providing the goods and services.One need not have an advanced degree in economics to understand the paradigm. There are less nuders then textiles. Therefore per capita there are less visitors available to pay for the services. The costs of running a nudist facility are greater (fencing, security, insurance,running background checks on visitors, etc.) then a textile facility. Less guests and greater expenses = higher rates.Yes, I have joked around that it costs a lot for me to take my pants off. But, it is certainly understandable why the costs are where they are. My best guess is that those that complain about the prices of nude recreation (1) have never owned/managed a business so they don't understand the costs involved; (2) complain about other things that they desire but can't afford; (3) don't take personal responsibility.
A postercomplains about the distance they must drive (and the expense therein) to drive to the club of their choice. Whodecided to locate where they reside? If you live in the mountains is it fair to complain how long the drive is to the ocean? Is it the club's fault that they live so far away?Perhaps the club they don't wish to visit due to their perception (through rumor) due to "snobbery" has visitors with sufficient income and can afford the recreation venues they visit instead of those that would rather just bitch and moan about that which is out of their reach. Face it, if all one's income allows is for them to purchase a used Toyota do they complain that a Cadillac, Lexus, or Mercedes-Benz is not within their reach?
we tend to agree that resorts charge to much, especially when you consider that most nudists travel long distances to get there . round trip can often cost $100.00 in gas alone or more . many nudists are on a fixed income and simply can't afford to go very often if the grounds fee's are high
One's lack of disposable income does not effect the cost of running a resort. One's distance from a resort does not effect the cost of running a resort one iota. This matters not if the club is textile or clothing optional.Visitors from all over the nation (and even the world) fly to Florida to visit both the nudist and textile resorts. The airfare to Florida most certainly is more then the $100 you mention and does not keep those resorts from being full and turning a profit.
We all do what we can afford, I drive hundreds of miles to visit naturist clubs. My brother and his wife spend considerably more flying to resorts in the Caribbean every winter. Quite honestly, should those resorts they visit lower their prices because their guests must take multiple flights and spend thousands to get to their remote location? Sadly you don't seem to understand capitalism. Not everyone can afford to live the life they choose.If the gas used to travel to a resort is too expensive for a visitor, is that the fault of the resort? The resort is not responsible for the income level of those that would like to visit.Perhaps instead of bemoaning the price of recreation one should look at increasing their income so that they can enjoy that which they cannot currently afford.
Thinking of the economics of running a resort: There are privately owned, for-profit resorts. They must cover their expenses and make a profit for their investors. That is capitalism. There are also co-operatively owned resorts that are owned by their members. These facilities are for the joint enjoyment of their owner/members. If you compare the gate, room rental, and other charges on an apples to apples/oranges to oranges bases -rustic club to rustic club, superclub to superclub; you will find that the costs to visitors is about the same. A poster suggested that the price is based upon greed. If the cost is similar at a co-operatively owned club is similar to that of a privately owned club, then it can't be greed. It is a function of a cost of providing the goods and services.One need not have an advanced degree in economics to understand the paradigm. There are less nuders then textiles. Therefore per capita there are less visitors available to pay for the services. The costs of running a nudist facility are greater (fencing, security, insurance,running background checks on visitors, etc.) then a textile facility. Less guests and greater expenses = higher rates.Yes, I have joked around that it costs a lot for me to take my pants off. But, it is certainly understandable why the costs are where they are. My best guess is that those that complain about the prices of nude recreation (1) have never owned/managed a business so they don't understand the costs involved; (2) complain about other things that they desire but can't afford; (3) don't take personal responsibility.
A postercomplains about the distance they must drive (and the expense therein) to drive to the club of their choice. Whodecided to locate where they reside? If you live in the mountains is it fair to complain how long the drive is to the ocean? Is it the club's fault that they live so far away?Perhaps the club they don't wish to visit due to their perception (through rumor) due to "snobbery" has visitors with sufficient income and can afford the recreation venues they visit instead of those that would rather just bitch and moan about that which is out of their reach. Face it, if all one's income allows is for them to purchase a used Toyota do they complain that a Cadillac, Lexus, or Mercedes-Benz is not within their reach?
Perhaps some wise person with property will start up a throwback nudist club. Room for camping, a few cabins, a pool, and a snack bar. Mandatory nudity if it's over 70. Following the KISS principle. A place to be nude, have a dip, socialize. Cut back on the frills to keep the expenses down.
If the club is looking to attract younger members, then this business model will be the road to failure. Those around my age are turned off by anyplace that describes itself as either rustic or simple.
In order to earn our moneywe want luxury, nice facilities, Wi-Fi, activities,etc. Just because a venue allows nuding is not enough to earn our money. Why would we want to spend money for less then resort like facilities? If there is no bar, no nighttime activities, what is the point of going. Weare not interested in going to a place thatjust offersa small pool,shuffleboard, and Ptanque.
I think this guy is looking for a nightclub and not a nudist resort .....lol ,altho there is a handful that do combine the two but I don't know of very many resorts that's gonna shell out that kinda money just to bring in a few kids
Well said.
Perhaps some wise person with property will start up a throwback nudist club. Room for camping, a few cabins, a pool, and a snack bar. Mandatory nudity if it's over 70. Following the KISS principle. A place to be nude, have a dip, socialize. Cut back on the frills to keep the expenses down.
If the club is looking to attract younger members, then this business model will be the road to failure. Those around my age are turned off by anyplace that describes itself as either rustic or simple.
In order to earn our moneywe want luxury, nice facilities, Wi-Fi, activities,etc. Just because a venue allows nuding is not enough to earn our money. Why would we want to spend money for less then resort like facilities? If there is no bar, no nighttime activities, what is the point of going. Weare not interested in going to a place thatjust offersa small pool,shuffleboard, and Ptanque.
Speak for yourself. I've met a lot of young people that like nudism simple. That also reads as less expensive. Just spent the weekend camping at a state park on the Sonoma coast. No wifi, no cell coverage either. LOTS of 20 something's. Don't know where you got shuffle board and ptanque from, as I never mentioned it. Keep your tude.The proof is in the success of those nudist clubs that offer "more". Laguna Del Sol, Cypress Cove, Avalon, Sunny Rest, Turtle Lake, White Tailand similar clubs which offer more activities, nicer rooms, restaurants, etc. get more visitors andmore younger nudists. Venues that offer less and cater to a more sedentary crowd don't attract large crowds of younger nudists and what business doesn't look to the coming and growing demographic?
Most regular (clothed) camping, (state, county and federal parks, and private campgrounds), charge from $35-50 per SITE a night. That's generally with minimum services and facilities provided. Nudist resorts generally charge their day rate per PERSON + an overnight fee for the campsite. Laguna Del Sol for instance would be $68 per night for 2. Single $38. Most nudist resorts have more facilities than a lot of government run camps.
As far as what attracts a younger crowd.... I think that's as diverse as the people visiting. I'm with Bunny on this one. There are many young people that don't want all the fluff of a resort. 1, they can't afford it and 2, they do like it simple. Maybe the West is different than the East, maybe it's the friends in your circle. In my travels, there were less younger people across the board, be it a rustic resort or LDS type places. Most of the young nudists I encounter are at the beaches, trails, hot springs and other natural (free) settings.
It's the same in the UK nude spas are more expensive-but I guess they always will be as it's a catch 22 situation-yes there is a demand as we travel to the existing facilities but no there isn't enough demand from people to justify someone setting more up, after all there are many textile spa users who would not even consider attending a nude venue so the potential client base is much smaller.
There is an estimated 3.7 to 4 million naturists in the UK. Demand IS there.The reason the number is estimated is that most of them are home nudists or closet nudists. No one knows a definite number and the only ones who are paying the bills are the ones out of the closet.
I'm just guessing here, but I have always believed that there is and always has been a hell of a lot more nudists than people think. ever wonder why it takes someone so long to answer the doorbell when you ring it
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