RE: Get Rid Of laws Against Public Nudity.

We don't have enough political power to make that happen. The primary reason we lack political power is our reluctance to identify ourselves as naturists and demand our rights.It's amazing how we are so accepting of unnatural sexual acts between people of the same gender, yet so afraid of admitting we enjoy the freedom of natural nudity.

Apparently you have not accepted that at all. And to be perfectly honest, I don't think you're qualified to comment given the virulence you usually reserve for sex topics.

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As I understand it nudity has been officially declared a "state of dress" and specifically not "a statement."

In practical terms, this means that as a state of dress and not a statement, it is not protected by the 1st Amendment.

So, why is nudity permitted during such events as the World Naked Bike Ride, Gay Pride Parades, and other such things? Those events are forms of protest and demonstration, which are protected by the 1st Amendment. More importantly, cities and municipalities are concerned that if they prohibit nudity at or during such events, then it will provide fodder for a test-case in court.

In such a situation, the court may very well rule that nudity is a statement and not merely a form of dress. If the trial court does find that nudity is a statement, then nudity can no longer be prohibited within the jurisdiction of that court. That would embolden others to try being nude in other jurisdictions for the sake of creating test cases in other jurisdictions.

Regardless of the decision of the lower (trial) court, it will most certainly be appealed -- by one side of the other. Although it's illegal to venue shop, nothing stops you from intentionally pushing the boundaries in a jurisdiction where you believe your case will receive a favorable decision. Appeals, naturally, end at the Supreme Court. If SCOTUS says nudity is an expression, then there go all of the anti-nudity laws all across the country. Few cities and states want this.

The best way to prevent this from happening is to allow nudity during protests, demonstrations, and parades.

Just conjecturing here, but perhaps an avenue of attack would be to have entrants in city parades promoting issues along the lines of World Naked Bike Ride or as some other form of protest or demonstration. Very likely, the parade organizers would refuse to allow that entrant into the parade. And that would be OK because it would provide standing for a court case.

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Religious Discrimination and the Law

Another line of attack against anti-nudity laws might be from the religious perspective.

I'm a barefooter. In situations where I've been told I had to don shoes -- where shoes (or lack thereof) were truly not a real issue, I have intoned the magical incantation: My sincerely held religious beliefs prohibit me from wearing shoes. I have only used that on rare occasions. I doesn't always work. To fight it when it doesn't work would take a lot of time and effort. In such cases, I simply stop spending my money in those places. I'm sure they think they've won, but I quit spending my money there and tell others to do the same.

I wonder whether anyone has ever tried that for nudity.

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maybe the politicians would tell the truth if was naked bet not near as many be running for prez if had to stand up naked campaigning LOL

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maybe the politicians would tell the truth if was naked bet not near as many be running for prez if had to stand up naked campaigning LOL

This had me picturing congressional chambers filled with naked politicians debating some proposed legislation . I have a feeling congressional politics would be quite different.

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not to be judgemental but there are some politicians I would want to see naked

Sarah Palin comes to mind on that thought.

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not to be judgemental but there are some politicians I would want to see nakedSarah Palin comes to mind on that thought.

I'd love to see Sarah Palin naked. I could make love to her 24/7

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I could'nt agree more with you!
However nudists are poorly organised and have little international contacts.
Here in Belgium for example the official nudist organisation is only interested in recruting new members for their own clubs and their own profits.

Some weeks ago I have been in a television schow "Gert Late Night" with the representative of "Athena" the Belgian nuturists organisation, The lady could'nt even tell the diverence between "naturist" and "nudist".
The only explanation she could give was that a nudist was a person with a bad reputation!?

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It's a nice thought but here's why it's not going to happen anytime soon:

1: Not enough nudists are open about their participation in the lifestyle so we appear to be a very small subset of the population
2. People aren't open about addressing nudity in a non-sexual way - a large number of people here are honest in the fact that they do not share their lifestyle choice of nudism outside of nudist circles
3. We are too fractured as a group; we chat and socialize with those like us and not all others (particularly based on gender, orientation and marital status), and until we unify and support one another we can't lead a charge forward as a group

My suggestion is to accept and support all other nudists and to take strides in a local arena first, and then maybe we'll get there one day...

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ManOfWicklow
Ultra Nudist
A lie has speed, but truth has endurance.
RE: Get Rid Of laws Against Public Nudity.
We don't have enough political power to make that happen. The primary reason we lack political power is our reluctance to identify ourselves as naturists and demand our rights.

It's amazing how we are so accepting of unnatural sexual acts between people of the same gender, yet so afraid of admitting we enjoy the freedom of natural nudity.

Well that's a positive message about unifying as nudists! Oh wait, it was a gay slam - silly me...

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