any traditionalists on here?
Return to DiscussionsAbout Marriiage.... obtained from a Catholic site..
No, priests could never marry once ordained,
however married men could be ordained priests--and they still are to this day in
the Eastern rites and in certain circumstances in the Latin rite (e.g. married
Anglican clergy who convert and often given a dispensation permitting them to be
ordained priests.)
Celibacy, however, was always seen as the ideal for
clergy as both St. Paul and Our Lord explain in Scripture. For a variety of
historical and pastoral reasons, the Latin Church decided to mmakehe ideal the
rule and only ordain celibate men.
I do not think I'm a conservative , although I believe that Vatican II had not always correct applications . I do not like the fact of receiving Communion in the hand and I think the translation from Latin ( I am referring to Italy , the country where I live ) is not always happy . For nudism I think that the problem is in the viewer with " evil eye " the body of another because, as St. Paul says " all things are pure to those who are pure " , so the malice is not the naked but who looks at him the wrong eyes .
Hi, I am a traditionalist also - I think that there is something special about the Latin Mass which has been lost with the translation to the vernacular. Also the tendency towards congregational participation can be inappropriate.
I'm not sure where this places me, but here goes....I've always liked the Latin Mass and when I have the chance I'll attend one. I love the Latin prayers, the chants, the frequent use of incense. I love the High Mass and all of the ceremony that it contained. I was an altar boy who made the leap from the Tridentine Mass to the modern Mass and it will always have a special spot in my heart. But the Mass is about community, a coming together to share the Eucharistic banquet. Even though I grew up pre-Vatican II, I feel there is more community now than there was before Vatican II. I do like the fact that there is more participation by the congregation than previously. I also enjoy how, depending where I travel, each congregation will define there participation a little differently.
Dave
I was brought up in a strict Catholic household before Vatican II and learned all my prayers in Latin . That did not mean I did not understand them because there was a translation in English in my Missal which we used whenever we went to church. The homily was of course in English or the local language, which most people understood. The nice thing about the Mass being in Latin was that I could participate anywhere in the world in it because the language was common. With the introduction of the local language, in places like India , where there are linguistic states, it becomes very difficult for an "outsider" to join in the prayers. Even worse is that where there is a church with a large population of parishioners from other other linguistic states, what language do you resort to especially on the big occasions of Easter and Christmas to make the service meaningful? There have been instances of people from linguistic communities entering into fights over this and even disrupting the services!
I cannot stand religious words being put to pop songs and sung in church only to appeal to the present generation. There is a certain sacredness about church music which enhances the Mass and lifts the believer in prayer. It is not meant to be a pop or rock concert with drum beats , twanging of the guitar and someone singing as if they were crooning in a night club.
I certainly prefer receiving communion on my tongue from a priest as it is symbolically a direct union between God and you. I certainly do not subscribe to laity distributing communion except in extreme cases when a priest is not available. I'd much rather have a bow of hosts put on a table from which I can pick one up myself. Why would I want to receive communion from a lay minister when I can't stand him or her gossiping or throwing stones on my neighbour's cat???One may argue there are much worse priests; but they have to account for wearing the cassock.
Talking about immodest clothing , why doesn't the church make it mandatory for all those attending Mass to wear a white surplice or robe when they enter the church so that everybody also feels equal in the sight of God? They can take it off as soon as they leave. Each Catholic should possess one and just in case they forget to get it along to church , maybe the church could hire out one to them. It would be a better way than the selling of indulgences!!!:) And while on the topic of money, couldn't the offertory boxes be kept at the door of the church where each church goer can put in their mite when they enter and it could then be taken up to the priest at the time of offertory?I find it disturbing and annoying that these collection boxes are passed around during the service.
Being a nudist or naturist is certainly not sinful as long as long as one does not exhibit oneself for erotic attention. The question of sinfulness arises when the eye views a naked body as an object of sinful delight.
I have more on the subject of being Catholic and I won't just leave the Church. I'd much rather stay and be a thorn in the clergy's side!!! But I'll save my thoughts and ideas for another time.
Alf
I was brought up in a strict Catholic household before Vatican II and learned all my prayers in Latin . That did not mean I did not understand them because there was a translation in English in my Missal which we used whenever we went to church. The homily was of course in English or the local language, which most people understood. The nice thing about the Mass being in Latin was that I could participate anywhere in the world in it because the language was common. With the introduction of the local language, in places like India , where there are linguistic states, it becomes very difficult for an "outsider" to join in the prayers. Even worse is that where there is a church with a large population of parishioners from other other linguistic states, what language do you resort to especially on the big occasions of Easter and Christmas to make the service meaningful? There have been instances of people from linguistic communities entering into fights over this and even disrupting the services!
I cannot stand religious words being put to pop songs and sung in church only to appeal to the present generation. There is a certain sacredness about church music which enhances the Mass and lifts the believer in prayer. It is not meant to be a pop or rock concert with drum beats , twanging of the guitar and someone singing as if they were crooning in a night club.
I certainly prefer receiving communion on my tongue from a priest as it is symbolically a direct union between God and you. I certainly do not subscribe to laity distributing communion except in extreme cases when a priest is not available. I'd much rather have a bow of hosts put on a table from which I can pick one up myself. Why would I want to receive communion from a lay minister when I can't stand him or her gossiping or throwing stones on my neighbour's cat???One may argue there are much worse priests; but they have to account for wearing the cassock.
Talking about immodest clothing , why doesn't the church make it mandatory for all those attending Mass to wear a white surplice or robe when they enter the church so that everybody also feels equal in the sight of God? They can take it off as soon as they leave. Each Catholic should possess one and just in case they forget to get it along to church , maybe the church could hire out one to them. It would be a better way than the selling of indulgences!!!:) And while on the topic of money, couldn't the offertory boxes be kept at the door of the church where each church goer can put in their mite when they enter and it could then be taken up to the priest at the time of offertory?I find it disturbing and annoying that these collection boxes are passed around during the service.
Being a nudist or naturist is certainly not sinful as long as long as one does not exhibit oneself for erotic attention. The question of sinfulness arises when the eye views a naked body as an object of sinful delight.
I have more on the subject of being Catholic and I won't just leave the Church. I'd much rather stay and be a thorn in the clergy's side!!! But I'll save my thoughts and ideas for another time.
Alf
I am surprised to find a pre-Vatican II Catholic that embraces nudism. It seems that so many that are into the Latin Rite are very socially conservative. I guess there is no actual prohibition on nudism (and John Paul II seemed downright friendly to it). I guess it shouldn't surprise me, given how many nudists I've met that are conservative.Talk a bit about how you came into nudism.Ted.
Amen
i think i identify with the traditionalist crowdI grew up with the latin mass and was an altar boy who said mass in latin. I love it and we have it every other month.
I got to go to Latin Mass for a bit and loved it also, but I was young, very hard to find these days.