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Take it to the Lord in prayer?
Return to DiscussionsThe hymn certainly feels comforting. But this current pandemic situation is really getting to me. With all the prayer warriors, prayer groups, prayer request telephone trees -- why can't we pray away the pandemic? There must be several mustard seeds worth of faith if you put us all together; and a virus is a whole lot smaller than a mountain. Could the Presidential Prayer Team, in the midst of praying for political leaders, put in a few words for the people whose lives are being derailed by this? How 'bout instead of blockading hospitals to protest social distancing, those same folks all went into their prayer closets and protested to the One who can do something about this?
What about faith healers? I have long wondered why they don't feel called to come out of their television studios and go into the hospitals, where the people who need them most are. Now would be a really good time.
Perhaps there is still more for us to learn from this time. The church is being forced to do thing differently, to think about why we do what we do. Perhaps this is part of the whole change that is going on in the church, this is the only way God can get us to open our eyes and start to see differently.
God gave us the solution long ago, but we threw it away. We; As in our society with it's greed for gain and greed for power and control. I have the inside scoop on it and so I know exactly how to kill the virus and cure the disease, easily without using any poisonous substances. But few will listen to some nobody from the mountains. my great grandmother had the cure in 1918, used it on flu cases when people were dying like flies from it, cured 100% everyone she treated. Plus if we read the bible and interpret it correctly we are in the midst of a war, a huge battle between good and evil. And while Jesus Christ won the deciding battle of the war nearly 2000 years ago, the war still rages on between Jesus Christ and Lucifer. It will continue until Jesus ends up handing the world over to him completely, except for the small group who he specially preserves who devotedly obey his law. Even a good share of them he allows the devil to persecute and slay. It's all to prove that Lucifer's agenda was nothing but the height of foolishness and to prove exactly where it will go when carried out to it's end. But God's plan of compensation for the survivors is second to none, in this case the survivors are not those who retain their mortal lives, but rather those who accept the atonement of Jesus Christ and live to serve God and obey His laws. bringing them into harmony with the law of the universe out there so we're safe to pass beyond this world into the sin free universe. If we do that Jesus will resurrect us when he comes as He said.
And so at this time in world history it's not the purpose of God to stop evil from happening. but rather let evil have it's way, give the devil enough rope to hang himself as it were. But he's also given us the information how to separate ourselves from the evil, how to cure whatever disease comes along, etc, if we'll just study and learn what he has to tell us, and not throw it away like the Pharisees did. I see most of Christianity acting like the Pharisees of old, failing to recognize the truth when it hits them because it conflicts with their religious traditions. Refusing to recognize and take heed to God's messengers because the true messengers condemn sin and stomp on toes so hard it's uncomfortable. The true messengers of God correct our mistaken doctrines and some very deep seated practices and beliefs that are contrary to God's word. They are therefore condemned and rejected by all those who cling to those fallacies. To really follow God's way will throw us out of harmony with the world in many ways, but to obtain the character of Christ and obey His laws is to gain such massive marvellous good, and a very high status in the universe for all eternity to come. After this world meets it's final demise and lays dormant for a thousand years, God's plan is to burn it up and recreate it into the largest and most beautiful planet in the universe, and all who learn to obey His laws now will be given an eternal home on it, a large estate or ranch for each person to do with as they please. How would it be to own a big paradise ranch in Hawaii? That's nothing compared to what we'll have there. The latest messenger God has chosen to send info through is describing such wonderful things as to stretch the imagination to it's limit. But the messages also tell of horrible disasters pending for this world before the end comes. I mean just horrendous massive disasters the likes of which have never been seen on earth since the flood of Noah's time. Disasters so terrible it actually kicks the earth out of it's orbital path and sends it off reeling into space, such that everyone will know that life on earth is doomed unless God fixes it. And the population with satan leading (most everyone believing that he's Jesus Christ after he puts on his big second coming of Christ act) will blame God's special people for displeasing God and preventing Him from fixing the issue, they will attempt to rid the earth of them completely, but when they try to carry it out that will be the end of it all for everyone. Because the real Jesus will step in and end it all.
Though there are many examples of God and Jesus healing individual people, I have a harder time thinking of many examples where entire populations were spared from a disease or death by a miraculous population-wide event.
Still doesn't explain those faith healers, though. If they were for real, I think the best way to prove it would be to do their work in hospitals, where there are patient records. Every hospital patient has a record of why they are there, and what signs of illness or injury were found by competent doctors. On release from hospital their records are updated to show the physical signs of recovery that those same competent doctors found. Whereas there is no such record for people who show up at a TV studio and dramatically look like they were healed.
Why don't we hear of individuals hospitalized with COVID-19 being healed through prayer or the laying on of hands? Even the ones who recover, the disease runs its full course.
Incidentally, the same applies to alleged deliverance ministries. Every one of them has some story about an encounter with Legion. But the fact is, anyone in a state like the Gerasene today would be classified as criminally insane and involuntarily committed in a secure facility. As with the hospitals, there would be records. Since the Gerasene was told by Jesus to go and tell what was done for him, it follows that if these supposed deliverances were real, we would see modern-day Gerasenes consenting to release their records as a testimony: the commitment record, together with the release record.
You know what impresses me a whole lot more than the Gerasene story? The Syro-Phoenecian girl. The mother came to Jesus without the child. Jesus did not go to the house, did not meed the child, did not address the spirit. He simply told the mother to go home because the spirit had already left the child. Which of today's alleged deliverance ministries can do that?
this is predicted in the bible , it has been written and a long time ago.
If they'd had social media in Medieval times, there would have been posts saying exactly this about the bubonic plague.
If you read the Bible prophecies, what you find is that they tend to "predict" things that commonly recur throughout history, such as wars, plagues, disasters; without specific timelines, it is possible to read "fulfilled prophecy" into any point in history. That's why I have to hand it to Daniel -- he put his reputation on the line with his specific timeline of seventy "weeks." Antiochus Epiphanes' desecration of the temple fit the timeline as well as description of the Abomination of Desolation. But of course, since it didn't turn out to be the Last Days, people had to come up with the "gap theory" to make Daniel's prophecy still be in the future. With Daniel long since dead and buried, we can't ask him why he never mentioned such a huge gap, which has been several times as long as his originally stated timeline.
One of the problems with reading the Bible is that we don't always know or understand the genre. So much of what we see as prophecy about the future, eg parts of Daniel, Revelation, words of Jesus, are actually Apocalyptic literature. Which appears to be predicting the future, but is actually reassuring the reader that God is in control of the current situation and will win in the end.